D&D Celebrity Satine Phoenix & Husband Jamison Stone Accused Of Abuse Towards Freelancers

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D&D influencer Satine Phoenix, and her husband Jamison Stone, who run tabletop gaming company Apotheosis Studios, have been accused of abusive behavior towards freelancers and contracted workers.

Satine Phoenix is a well-known D&D personality and creator, and was the D&D Community Manager for about a year back in 2018. Both she and Stone have appeared in many events and streaming shows, and have worked with WotC, Geek & Sundry, and other companies. Recently their Kickstarter campaign Sirens: Battle of the Bards raised over $300,000. At GaryCon, a US gaming convention, the couple held a public wedding.

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Accusations were initially leveled last week against Stone by tattooist Chad Rowe, who tweeted about the abusive way in which Stone, as his client at the time, treated him. The artist was "insulted, berated, and talked down to as if I was a lesser person". Other reports started to roll in as people shared similar experiences, with people revealing how they had been bullied by them, and how the pair frequently portrayed themselves as 'better' than those they worked with. At the time of writing there have been many such reports including one from voice actress and designer Liisa Lee who was subjected to underhanded business practices by Phoenix and her then partner Ruty Rutenberg. Others indicated difficulties in getting paid for work done for Stone and Phoenix or their company.

Lysa Penrose reported on problematic interactions while Phoenix worked at WotC, who was the primary point of contact regarding a report of abuse. Penrose reports that Phoenix failed to pass on the reports of abuse, and continued to publicly associate with the abuser.

Jamison Stone has since resigned as CEO of Apotheosis Studios (though the pair do own the company) and issued a long apology which has been widely criticized. Phoenix released a statement about a week later. Screenshots leaked from a private channel indicate that they have adopted a strategy of shifting the blame onto Stone, so that Phoenix's public image remain intact, with Stone writing “I also am ensuring behind the scenes ... we shield Satine as much as physically possible from damage.”

D&D In A Castle, which is an event which hosts D&D games run by professional DMs in a weekend break in a castle, has dropped the pair from its lineup, as has Jasper's Game Day, an organization which works to prevent suicides. Origins Game Fair, at which the couple are celebrity guests, removed Stone from its guest list, but not Phoenix, stating that "staff assessed that there was no immediate risk of physical harm".

According to ComicBook.com. former collaborator of Phoenix, Ruty Rutenberg, is suing Phoenix, alleging misappropriation of $40,000 of stream network Maze Arcana's money.
 

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Michael Linke

Adventurer
Only if they actually seek professional quality pay. Some people pursue quality (yes, even professional quality) in their hobbies as its own reward, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Many people who engage in hobbies seek compensation to fund further pursuit of that hobby. There's even a whole section of tax code for "hobby income".

For example, if I paint miniatures as a hobby, i can sell stuff i painted, and dump the proceeds into buying more miniatures to paint. There are rules for how much hobby income you can earn, and how/when that hobby income needs to be taxed as business income instead.
 

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Parmandur

Book-Friend
Only if they actually seek professional quality pay. Some people pursue quality (yes, even professional quality) in their hobbies as its own reward, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, sharing some beautiful memories with close friends and family is it's own reward. Though we've always had an informal pay by food, snacks, and beverages system.
 

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
The use of the word "debilitating" here seems to push past empathy and merge into degrading.
I mean, it is a disability. We are literally not able to function in the same way as neurotypical people without certain accommodations. “Debilitating” is maybe slightly more extreme wording, but it’s not wrong, and as someone with ADHD myself, I certainly don’t find it offensive.
 

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
Many people who engage in hobbies seek compensation to fund further pursuit of that hobby. There's even a whole section of tax code for "hobby income".

For example, if I paint miniatures as a hobby, i can sell stuff i painted, and dump the proceeds into buying more miniatures to paint. There are rules for how much hobby income you can earn, and how/when that hobby income needs to be taxed as business income instead.
Sure, and that’s absolutely your right. It would also be your right to put the same dedication into your miniature painting and not sell them.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I just took a peek. Lots of tears and lots of mean-spirited commentary. I don’t think it was a good idea on her part to do this.
Yeah someone close to her with her best interest at heart really should have advised her to at least turn comments off, or record and then post, or something.

A lot of folks love these moments. Here’s a target they can harass and then get mad if anyone calls them on it because she’s “the bad guy”, not them!

Give some folks an excuse, and the distance of online communication, and they let the absolute worst within themselves run free.
 

AdmundfortGeographer

Getting lost in fantasy maps
That streamed apology was really painful to watch happen.

It is curious to hear she is a contractor at Apotheosis at the moment. Didn’t she just become the CEO with Stone “stepping aside”?
 



MNblockhead

A Title Much Cooler Than Anything on the Old Site
I've seen this so many times, and been this. In my previous career, I was good at my job and ended up in management. I was ill-suited for it and miserable. In my current career I've avoided that path and am quite content and happy.



Yeah, that attention and adulation, even on the smallest scale, can be a heady thing. It's all too easy to go from being thankful for the support to thinking that it is what you are owed.
This makes me think it is not just about celebrity. A certain attitude can creep in when you are in certain positions, such as certain management positions where your compensation is partially based on your (and therefore your team's) performance, and especially if you are a business owner (perhaps even more so in small business). The stress of responsibility, the stress of your success depending on other peoples performance, and the feeling that you are having to work harder than everyone else can taint how you see and interact with people who report to you. If you are lucky enough to also achieve some success and recognition for competence, it can be more difficult to avoid a certain dictatorial attitude. Add a dash of celebrity to this and it can lead to some very unhealthy views of other people who report to you--especially vendors and contractors.

I've been in this situation, minus celebrity, and I've learned how important it is to have competent people who are assertive enough to early on call you out when you when you are making poor decisions or are not treating people right. I remember one instance where I was working with a team on a project where we had to clean up some bad data we received and I made some assumptions based on similar issues I've experienced in the past. The team started complaining about the amount of manual effort required and I snapped, saying something along the lines of yeah, it sucks, but you just have to do it. And I'm sure my tone was exasperated and probably came off as a dismissive. There was an older lady on my team with a strong personality that didn't let me get away with that, and was very clear about why the process was wasting everyone's time and that there must be a better way. It caused me to step back and say I would try to think of a better solution. That evening I spent some time on it and was able to script something that fixed the issues and saved the team--and my company--a great deal of time on low value work that was making everyone unhappy.

Now, this was someone I had worked with for a while and with whom I had a good relationship, and who I knew was competent. I think it can be much harder for some people to listen to such feedback from temp staff and contractors. You can work so hard gaining competence in your field and trying to earn the respect of your clients, managers, or business partners that you can forget that you need to balance that out with humility and listening to advice, ideas, and criticisms from your direct reports and people with less experience than you. I've certainly experienced that attitude from clients as a vendor and consultant.

If you add celebrity to that, where even the big fish in the industry are spoiling you with praise, and where you have a fan base pumping up your ego, it can lead to toxic relationships. Certainly many people remain decent even at the height of their success, but few if anyone are totally immune from this.
 


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