Orville: New Horizons (Spoilers)

[Zardnaar]

Unlike certain other shows, there is no mention of this in the into.

This it's projecting desires onto the show.
Overall been better than Trek last few years.

 

[CapnZapp]

Unlike certain other shows, there is no mention of this in the into.

As if that lets them off the hook.

 

[Arilyn]

Loved the Kalons at the wedding.
Been a great show that's been getting better every season. Hope we get another one, but if not, it was a great finale.

 

[Umbran]

At least "I'll eat you with a glass of grape juice" was so specific it was fun.

 

[Umbran]

My thoughts on the season:

They appear uninterested in the core draw of the show, exploring new worlds and going where no man has gone before.

I am pretty sure that's never been the core draw of The Orville.

And also, you know, nobody's ever been to Moclus, or seen its culture before...

Combine this with America's culture war forcing every show to take Big Stands and make Profound Commentary, that simply isn't necessary* for those of us that doesn't live in a society threatened by MAGA morons, and...

I think it is less about them being "forced" and more about McFarlane wanting to do a thing that Trek has always done - used sci fi as a platform for social commentary. It is weird for you to say there is a "war" over this, but then assert that the positions don't bear repeating. Do you think things ever get normalized if they aren't present in the stories we tell ourselves?

And, while you may not need it personally... maybe you do, and by extension, the viewers in general do. Because right this moment, you're not showing a lot of empathy for folks who can use the representation. Like, say, trans viewers? So, if we are apt to miss such a very basic point, maybe we do need it drilled home more.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

As if that lets them off the hook.

They were never on the hook. This show was never advertised as being about exploring strange new worlds. That's on the other channel.

 

[Ryujin]

I am pretty sure that's never been the core draw of The Orville.

And also, you know, nobody's ever been to Moclus, or seen its culture before...



I think it is less about them being "forced" and more about McFarlane wanting to do a thing that Trek has always done - used sci fi as a platform for social commentary. It is weird for you to say there is a "war" over this, but then assert that the positions don't bear repeating. Do you think things ever get normalized if they aren't present in the stories we tell ourselves?

And, while you may not need it personally... maybe you do, and by extension, the viewers in general do. Because right this moment, you're not showing a lot of empathy for folks who can use the representation. Like, say, trans viewers? So, if we are apt to miss such a very basic point, maybe we do need it drilled home more.

We live in a time in which Shatner is wondering when Star Trek got so "woke" (Hint: YOU WERE THERE, BILL!), so a little confusion might be expected.

For me, a person who grew up watching the first run of TOS, it's just a natural progression.

 

[Umbran]

We live in a time in which Shatner is wondering when Star Trek got so "woke" ....

So, given a guy who is out of the loop, and language changes, we need to be careful. Shatner, to my understanding, did not say "woke". I doubt that word is in his lexicon. He said "political".

He also said that Trek always gave "social commentary". What Shatner apparently has missed is that social commentary is now often at the forefront of American politics (which, apparently, he really pays no attention to, since he's Canadian).

Which, is still crummy - if you aren't going to keep up with the time, maybe keep your mouth shut, Bill! But it doesn't mean quite the same thing.

 

[Ryujin]

So, given a guy who is out of the loop, and language changes, we need to be careful. Shatner, to my understanding, did not say "woke". I doubt that word is in his lexicon. He said "political".

He also said that Trek always gave "social commentary". What Shatner apparently has missed is that social commentary is now often at the forefront of American politics (which, apparently, he really pays no attention to, since he's Canadian).

Which, is still crummy - if you aren't going to keep up with the time, maybe keep your mouth shut, Bill! But it doesn't mean quite the same thing.

He may still have Canadian citizenship but at this point I think he has lived in the US longer than Canada (just a guess), and owns a large ranch in Southern California. If I'd been living in the US as long as he has and owned property, I'd be staying up to date on politics.

 

[CapnZapp]

They were never on the hook. This show was never advertised as being about exploring strange new worlds. That's on the other channel.

Just stop with your ruleslawyering. You're basically arguing the equivalent of saying a show about cops and robbers can suddenly become a teen drama and that's okay as long as it never specifically promises cops or robbers on the tin. You come across as trying to win an argument just for winning's sake.

This show pretty clearly did a huge change, doubling down on personal stories and social commentary in S3. It is an unwelcome shift for me. A show should not forget a personal touch (which is why Strange New Worlds is already superior to Discovery), but almost entirely dumping the central conceit of the show just to explore basic humanity? It is preachy and predictable. It isn't new, it isn't exciting. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I disagree to what is preached, it's that I simply don't need that in my entertainment.