D&D 5E Have we misunderstood the shield and sword fighter (or warrior)?

I could buy into a long spear being one in dnd context but short spears, pilla, and staves, not so much. Pole arms used to be strictly two handed weapons that had reach and could be used from the second rank. Now i guess people are suggesting cugels too? Not in my worlds.
a spear is, by necessity, a polearm - it has a long shaft (yes, even short spears - have you ever seen a cudgel with a 2 foot long shaft?), and attached to it is the "main fighting part of the weapon" (the spearhead).
I think the argument is more that without an arm on the pole (or staff), the pole is just a pole (or staff). Hence quarterstaff is ruled out. Of the category "polearm". Except the feat explicitly includes it in spite of the feat's name.
i...don't really care about the quarterstaff, honestly.
 

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niklinna

satisfied?
a spear is, by necessity, a polearm - it has a long shaft (yes, even short spears - have you ever seen a cudgel with a 2 foot long shaft?), and attached to it is the "main fighting part of the weapon" (the spearhead).

i...don't really care about the quarterstaff, honestly.
Neither do I, sir. Neither do I.
 

Digdude

Just a dude with a shovel, looking for the past.
a spear is, by necessity, a polearm - it has a long shaft (yes, even short spears - have you ever seen a cudgel with a 2 foot long shaft?), and attached to it is the "main fighting part of the weapon" (the spearhead).

i...don't really care about the quarterstaff, honestly.
So a trident too since it has a shaft? Same with flail since it has a shaft? Javelin too? See where I am coming from yet? Pole arms have arms. Halberd, bardiche, all the various combo picks, awls, pikes...
 

niklinna

satisfied?
So a trident too since it has a shaft? Same with flail since it has a shaft? Javelin too? See where I am coming from yet? Pole arms have arms. Halberd, bardiche, all the various combo picks, awls, pikes...
Yeah I still don't think the Polearm Master feat cares about anything but the exact weapons it lists.
 

James Gasik

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Hm. I'm not sure about the flail, but I can't see any reason not to rule the Trident as a weapon you can use PAM with, if one handed spears are kosher. Anything that makes the Trident a better option is fine with me.
 

So a trident too since it has a shaft?
yes, actually. it's just a spear with three heads instead of one.
Same with flail since it has a shaft?
depends on the flail - the historically-odd-yet-classic style one handed flail, no. the more historically accurate peasant's flail? there's...an argument there. they certainly have long enough shafts, but i don't really know what the flail part would be in terms of being attached.
Javelin too?
again - yes, actually. it's just a spear meant for throwing.
See where I am coming from yet? Pole arms have arms. Halberd, bardiche, all the various combo picks, awls, pikes...
okay, first off - that's not what an "arm" is. an "arm" is just a weapon. a quarterstaff is a weapon, and thus an arm, as is a spear and even a sword or gun. second - i assume when you say "arm" you mean the "main fighting piece" i was referring to that was in the only actual solid definition of a polearm i could find. okay, that's fine...spears have that. it's the spearhead. javelins also have that, as do tridents. and thirdly - you know a pike is just an extremely long spear, right? that's literally all it is. by including pikes in this list, you have tacitly admitted spears are polearms.
 


Digdude

Just a dude with a shovel, looking for the past.
yes, actually. it's just a spear with three heads instead of one.

depends on the flail - the historically-odd-yet-classic style one handed flail, no. the more historically accurate peasant's flail? there's...an argument there. they certainly have long enough shafts, but i don't really know what the flail part would be in terms of being attached.

again - yes, actually. it's just a spear meant for throwing.

okay, first off - that's not what an "arm" is. an "arm" is just a weapon. a quarterstaff is a weapon, and thus an arm, as is a spear and even a sword or gun. second - i assume when you say "arm" you mean the "main fighting piece" i was referring to that was in the only actual solid definition of a polearm i could find. okay, that's fine...spears have that. it's the spearhead. javelins also have that, as do tridents. and thirdly - you know a pike is just an extremely long spear, right? that's literally all it is. by including pikes in this list, you have tacitly admitted spears are polearms.
I said long spears (two handed) yes including pikes. One handed spears and javelins, no way. Tacitly speaking of course. As an casual medeval fighter, I do indeed know the difference between a pike and a spear.
 



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