[+] The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - SPOILERS ALLOWED

[Maxperson]

I thought elves diminishing and going into the west was a theme?

In numbers. Not in light or power. They had been being killed off for millennia and made new elves slowly.

 

[Hriston]

If the stranger is Sauron reborn are they taking a page out of dr who where sometimes the dr forgets who they are

It's more direct. They're taking a page from the LotR in which Gandalf the White forgets who he was when he was Gandalf the Grey.

 

[Ryujin]

If the stranger is Sauron reborn are they taking a page out of dr who where sometimes the dr forgets who they are

Or a page out of the Lord of the Rings movies where Gandalf came back as Gandalf the White and needed a bit to remember who he was

EDIT - Damn. Have to remember to refresh the page

 

[doctorbadwolf]

They're all supposed to appear as older humans, but it's not like they haven't already gone off script for a lot of stuff.

The Istari specifically appear as older humans when they are sent to help the people of middle earth in the 3rd age, to help with their diplomatic mission.

 

[Morrus]

Just when I started to warm up and even look forward to the show, the showmakers take another dump on established canon. At every point of the history of Arda, the 3 Silmarilli are accounted for: After their theft by Morgoth they are all 3 in his iron crown until Beren steals one. That one goes to Thingol, then Dior, Elwing, Earendil.
The other 2 are taken from Morgoth by Eonwë (iirc) and are then stolen by Maedhros and Maglor. Since the jewels burn their hands, Maedhros throws himself into a fiery pit and Maglor throws his into the ocean. Thus, one stone is in the sky, one in the earth, and one in the sea. Elves would know this. The story with the tree, and the origin of Mithril is stupid, sorry.

See, there's two potential audiences for this show, and you're in the wrong one.

I literally don't care whether a superhero movie matches the comics exactly, or the new Bond flick is a literal translation of the Fleming novel, or whether Game of Thrones was identical to the books. It just doesn't matter to me.

And it doesn't matter to me whether this adaption of a literary work is faithful to the original (expecially something I'm never going to read!), as long as it's good. And so far, I'm liking it.

Those who expect direct faithfulness to the original book/comic/whatever are sadly in for disappointment after disappointment when it comes to movies and TV, because they never are. And that's OK. Things get adapted, whether they're Tolkien, 007, Marvel, or anything else.

 

[Mercurius]

See, there's two potential audiences for this show, and you're in the wrong one.

I literally don't care whether a superhero movie matches the comics exactly, or the new Bond flick is a literal translation of the Fleming novel, or whether Game of Thrones was identical to the books. It just doesn't matter to me.

And it doesn't matter to me whether this adaption of a literary work is faithful to the original (expecially something I'm never going to read!), as long as it's good. And so far, I'm liking it.

Those who expect direct faithfulness to the original book/comic/whatever are sadly in for disappointment after disappointment when it comes to movies and TV, because they never are. And that's OK. Things get adapted, whether they're Tolkien, 007, Marvel, or anything else.

Using words and phrases like "exactly" and "direct faithfulness" implies more stringency than I've seen people asking for. Sure, some Tolkien fans want it to be as accurate as possible, but I think most just want it to feel like Tolkien - to be "in the spirit of" Tolkien, and to follow the lore in a general way. Like Peter Jackson's first trilogy. I think, for many/most serious Tolkien fans it is missing that mark widely - and as I said above, the elves particularly highlight that.

But yeah, I also hear a lot of critical reviews saying "I'd be happy enough if it was good, but it isn't." Meaning, criticisms of the show aren't only about how accurately it adapts Tolkien, but the merits of the show itself - the plotting, acting, dialogue, etc.

Now of course there's nothing wrong with people enjoying it, for whatever reasons they're enjoying it. But the reverse is true, also, and I wouldn't reduce their unhappiness with the show to being overly rigid about how faithfully it adapts Tolkien.

 

[Morrus]

Now of course there's nothing wrong with people enjoying it, for whatever reasons they're enjoying it. But the reverse is true, also, and I wouldn't reduce their unhappiness with the show to being overly rigid about how faithfully it adapts Tolkien.

I mean, I was literally replying to a person who was talking about how it differed from Tolkien.

 

[Mercurius]

I mean, I was literally replying to a person who was talking about how it differed from Tolkien.

Yes, but there's the matter of degree. It is one thing to expect Rings of Power to be "exact" and quite another to hope it will at least be in the spirit of Tolkien's vision.

 

[Rabulias]

The Istari specifically appear as older humans when they are sent to help the people of middle earth in the 3rd age, to help with their diplomatic mission.

Maybe they appear differently in their mission in the Second Age (if this is them). I know everyone has said the Istari came to Middle Earth in the Third Age, but does anything say that was their first visit to Middle Earth?

 

[Morrus]

Yes, but there's the matter of degree. It is one thing to expect Rings of Power to be "exact" and quite another to hope it will at least be in the spirit of Tolkien's vision.

That's far too semantical a conversation for my interest. Pick a word more to your liking and pretend I said that.