D&D (2024) Ranger playtest discussion

[UngeheuerLich]

And this isn't cooking.

Also classes aren't a base. The core mechanics are a base. And testing a recipie should include some spice even if the proportions are off. Right now what we're being presented with is a meal where everything is boiled to a mush.

You started with tofu...

Of course classes are the base (for that class).
And I don't disagree with you. It needs some flavour. But I don't want the mechanical mess that os the 5e ranger, especially the hunter subclass.

 

[Neonchameleon]

this.

PHB ranger was all spice on some cheap, out of date minced meat.

And this ranger is a mix of boiled potatoes, boiled rice, and boiled tofu calling itself a meal. Neither is good.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

And this ranger is a mix of boiled potatoes, boiled rice, and boiled tofu calling itself a meal. Neither is good.

But you can make a palatable meal with some spice here.

Spoiled meat stays spoiled meat.
And as the 5e ranger, it might taste good at first, but after a while your get stomach aches...

 

[Neonchameleon]

You started with tofu...

Of course classes are the base (for that class).
And I don't disagree with you. It needs some flavour. But I don't want the mechanical mess that os the 5e ranger, especially the hunter subclass.

No one wants that. But that's not the only trap to avoid. This is falling into a different one. It's Yet Another Caster with almost no reason to exist other than to fill in a square. It's the PHB Sorcerer

 

[Horwath]

It's the PHB Sorcerer

talk about a useless class.
Tasha's really resurrected the sorcerer.

 

[Neonchameleon]

But you can make a palatable meal with some spice here.

What you have here is the equivalent of an MRE. I mean sure it qualifies as food with or without spice but it's not exactly appetising.

Spoiled meat stays spoiled meat.
And as the 5e ranger, it might taste good at first, but after a while your get stomach aches...

No one is advocating for every ability being a ribbon ability.

 

[Minigiant]

But you can make a palatable meal with some spice here.

Spoiled meat stays spoiled meat.
And as the 5e ranger, it might taste good at first, but after a while your get stomach aches...

But the playtest ranger looke like they got not spoiled but not gourmet meat then forgot to go to the seasoning aisle.

So it's edible now but bland.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

No one is advocating for every ability being a ribbon ability.

And I never said, ribbon abilities should stay away from the ranger.

 

[Remathilis]

I’m fine with access to magic, especially magic that isn’t just spells. It’s spellcasting that doesn’t fit the ranger archetype.

But that's the trick, it's ALL spells.

Spells are what they use to cover 90%* of magical effects. It's why many invocations end up being access to a spell (slow, bane, mage armor). It's why a robust psionics was abandoned for psionic spells and subclasses. Spells are a known quantity, an understood mechanic, and an easy way to expand the game later. In short, they are the hammer WotC has elected to use, and everything else is just a nail.

If it helps, think of spells akin to 4e powers, save they are explicitly magical.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

But the playtest ranger looke like they got not spoiled but not gourmet meat then forgot to go to the seasoning aisle.

So it's edible now but bland.

At least it is edible. Now we get slightly better quality meat and send it on exactly this trip.