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[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

Yes you absolutely do, but even without that, damage types are meaningless if you're not actually hit, which means vulnerabilities, resistances, and immunities are also meaningless. Physical contact is required for a lot of effects.

As for cantrips, I would support keeping a single attack cantrip for infinite magic, and adding 0 level spell slots for other cantrip effects. The current system simply erases things that used to be a challenge.

Agreed on keeping non-attack cantrips as a separate effect (whose mechanics are TBD).

You have a point re: physical contact. The hit points mechanic has a few holes.

 

[Bohandas]

If someone actually gets thrown through a wall and lands on a bunch of jagged rocks, they're dead.

There's different levels of fictional versions though. It doesn't have to be the anime nothing but scuff marks thing, it could just as easilt be a gritty action movie covered in deep puncture wounds that they're somehow able to tenporarily ignore because they bandaged them with a torn piece of their shirt type thing, or an even grittier running after the villain while holding their intestines in with one hand and shooting with their other hand type thing

 

[Micah Sweet]

There's different levels of fictional versions though. It doesn't have to be the anime nothing but scuff marks thing, it could just as easilt be a gritty action movie covered in deep puncture wounds that they're somehow able to tenporarily ignore because they bandaged them with a torn piece of their shirt thing, or an even grittier running after the villain while holding their intestines in with one hand and shooting with their other hand type thing

Except those deep puncture wounds disappear after a long rest, just like the scratches. You can describe injuries however you want, but the reality of the rules treats it all the same.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

There's different levels of fictional versions though. It doesn't have to be the anime nothing but scuff marks thing, it could just as easilt be a gritty action movie covered in deep puncture wounds that they're somehow able to tenporarily ignore because they bandaged them with a torn piece of their shirt type thing, or an even grittier running after the villain while holding their intestines in with one hand and shooting with their other hand type thing

Which is exactly the point I'm making. Hit points should not represent I'M DEAD from physical injury.

 

[Bohandas]

Except those deep puncture wounds disappear after a long rest, just like the scratches. You can describe injuries however you want, but the reality of the rules treats it all the same.

Which was the initial complaint about long rests

 

[Micah Sweet]

Which is exactly the point I'm making. Hit points should not represent I'M DEAD from physical injury.

But if they don't at least in part represent a degree of physical injury, they make no sense at all.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Which was the initial complaint about long rests

Yes, that's what I'm saying. The rules are the problem.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

But if they don't at least in part represent a degree of physical injury, they make no sense at all.

Right! Which is why I keep saying you need a separate mechanism to represent physical injury. The two systems play by different rules.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Right! Which is why I keep saying you need a separate mechanism to represent physical injury. The two systems play by different rules.

A shame WotC never bothered with one. Need to see if there's a good 3PP for that.

 

[Remathilis]

Any ideas? I still consider myself a player of D&D, but when nearly all the talk is through the lens of WotC's game, I have to engage on that level if I'm to engage at all, and I strongly disagree with their current direction.

I dunno man. I avoid Paizo threads and forums. My point is that if all the engagement you can muster is to yuck another person's yum, maybe it's time to consider if engagement is really worth your time?