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D&D 5E The Gloves Are Off?

My other option is to just announce that since he's standing there doing nothing he takes full damage. It's my job to narrate the results of player actions, including saving throws.

That's what I'm doing. I'm narrating the result of the saving throw.
The fact that your reply seems to indicate that you don't understand exactly what I'm trying to communicate could be due to a couple factors, including:

1. I'm not doing a bang up job at communicating my point
or
B. We're unclear as to whether or not you are wearing gloves as you type
 

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Alzrius

The EN World kitten
So Russian roulette with three bullets in the cylinder, then? I feel like you claiming this is a totally different situation maybe rather supports my notion you're not really thinking this through, player-side lol.
You're claiming that making a run-of-the-mill saving throw against poison can be likened to "russian roulette with three bullets" and "rocks fall, you die." Sit back and think about that.

lol.
 

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
This is it really. the real question is "are you an adversarial DM?"

Insta-killing a player for not writing "gloves" on their character sheet is certainly in the 1st edition Gygaxian tradition.
How did a saving throw against poison go to being "insta-kill" exactly? Because the OP never says it's a save-or-die scenario. For that matter, it strikes me as disingenuous to say that disallowing a PC to negate having a make a save at all because they're retroactively claiming immunity via narrative fiat makes someone an adversarial DM.
 

You're claiming that making a run-of-the-mill saving throw against poison can be likened to "russian roulette with three bullets" and "rocks fall, you die." Sit back and think about that.

lol.
Because as @Reynard explained, the result of failing that save is instant death.

I'm not sure what's confusing you here. "Instant death" isn't a "run of the mill" character consequence in 5E.
 

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
Because as @Reynard explained, the result of failing that save is instant death.
Is @Reynard the author of the original post, which set the terms of the original scenario under discussion? No? Then that's not relevant here.
I'm not sure what's confusing you here. "Instant death" isn't a "run of the mill" character consequence in 5E.
I'm now very clear on what's confusing you. You've wrongfully let someone else redefine the scenario in a way that's not in accordance with the larger discussion.
 

How did a saving throw against poison go to being "insta-kill" exactly?
@Reynard explained this a while back. Everyone but you seemed to take this on board.
For that matter, it strikes me as disingenuous to say that disallowing a PC to negate having a make a save at all because they're retroactively claiming immunity via narrative fiat makes someone an adversarial DM.
You've repeatedly suggested it's totally cool and fine to force a PC to have like a 50% chance of instant death, just because you're unable to accept the concept that the clothing note is made in good faith.

If it quacks like an adversarial DM...
 

Is @Reynard the author of the original post, which set the terms of the original scenario under discussion? No? Then that's not relevant here.
My impression was that @iserith agreed with it, and he certainly disagrees with you lol.
I'm now very clear on what's confusing you. You've wrongfully let someone else redefine the scenario in a way that's not in accordance with the larger discussion.
No, you have the "larger discussion" reversed.

You're doing the Simpsons thing:

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Multiple people are disagreeing with you, no-one is agreeing with you, but it is you who are right, I'm sure lol.
 

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
@Reynard explained this a while back. Everyone but you seemed to take this on board.
And yet you can't even seem to quote the post where they did.
You've repeatedly suggested it's totally cool and fine to force a PC to have like a 50% chance of instant death
Youre Wrong John C Mcginley GIF


The whole "insta-death" thing was proposed by someone else, and was never a part of anything that I said, nor the original topic under discussion. I've already explained why you're wrong on that count; anything else on that particular aspect of the scenario is a strawman on your part.
 

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
My impression was that @iserith agreed with it, and he certainly disagrees with you lol.
My impression is that it's not part of the original discussion, and was never edited into the original post.

lol.
No, you have the "larger discussion" reversed.
And yet you still can't seem to quote where that was proposed, or explain how it somehow magically became part of the discussion that everyone else is participating in.
 

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