Going Nuclear:1D&D

[LordEntrails]

I don't think it is terrible to ask, but I also don't think it is terrible for people to simply steal Hasbro's IP when they do ask for royalties.

So you don't value the concept of IP? You only follow the rules when they work for you, but not against you?

EDIT: I'm out of this thread. as I catch up with it I realize it's not the type of discussion I'm going to spend my time on. I find it really sad the stances that some folks are justifying.

 

[Umbran]

Why do people feel it is appropriate to assume they know what WotC is going to do in the future and state it as if their opinions are fact?

One - he said "seemingly". That's not a statement of fact, but a statement of what appears, to him, to be the case.

Two - the leak seems pretty real, and it specifically includes revocation of what we know as the OGL. If the leak was largely incorrect, WotC staying silent for a week would be a surprisingly bad tactical choice. A simple statement of, "Folks, we had already decided to not use those terms, and we're setting up to make our plan more clear to you - that should be ready in a week," would be far better public relations.

 

[mamba]

Fans: Why can't we ever get a good D&D movie?
Also Fans, Movie coming out: Boycott Hasbro!

bad timing ?

 

[FrogReaver]

So you don't value the concept of IP? You only follow the rules when they work for you, but not against you?

I don't know that I agree with IP protections extending to a product that is for all intents and purposes being buried by a company. It's the current law. I don't advocate breaking it, but I don't think the law should be that way.

 

[mamba]

Don't we ask people on this forum not to make statements for other people? Why do people feel it is appropriate to assume they know what WotC is going to do in the future and state it as if their opinions are fact?

because they basically told us ?

 

[Malmuria]

What IP is being “protected” is very nebulous and has not been tested in court. Are the six ability scores IP? Hit dice? etc. Part of the reason this hasn’t been tested is that TSR and now Hasbro has more money to throw at legal fees in a protracted battle. I don’t see how using the legal system to bully competitors is ethical (and so its hard to be concerned about someone photocopying the phb, which people have done since the beginning of the hobby)

 

[GMforPowergamers]

What IP is being “protected” is very nebulous and has not been tested in court. Are the six ability scores IP? Hit dice? etc. Part of the reason this hasn’t been tested is that TSR and now Hasbro has more money to throw at legal fees in a protracted battle. I don’t see how using the legal system to bully competitors is ethical (and so its hard to be concerned about someone photocopying the phb, which people have done since the beginning of the hobby)

ONce upon a time we ALMOST got that when TSR sued Mayfair games.
Mayfair had a bunch of books called Role Aids, and they were basicly add ons to 1e/2e. Infact I could argue they had the 1st prestige class Role Aids' Archmage: A Conversion for OD&D

 

[ECMO3]

So you don't value the concept of IP? You only follow the rules when they work for you, but not against you?

EDIT: I'm out of this thread. as I catch up with it I realize it's not the type of discussion I'm going to spend my time on. I find it really sad the stances that some folks are justifying.

I believe in capitalism, if I can take your idea and make it better for less money I should be allowed to. If you look at history many, many great things were brought to the public by stealing IP:

1. Henry Ford built the model T and refused to pay roalyties to the people who owned the patent for the automobile and brought autos to the masses.

2. Glen Curtiss refused to pay royalties to the Wright Brothers who had a patent on the airplane and made air travel viable.

3. Numerous small time computer manufactures stole IP from IBM to make computers viable for the consumer market.

4. Microsoft stole IP from Xerox to make Windows.

5. Echostar stole digital video recording technology from Tivvo paving the way for video on demand of live broadcasts.

When you rush to the defense of IP rights consider your hypocrisy if you also use automobiles, airplanes, computers, windows and video on demand.

Yeah I don't believe protecting IP is a good thing. Conversly, good things happen when IP is stolen and made available to people for less.

 

[Zardnaar]

I believe in capitalism, if I can take your idea and make it better for less money I should be allowed to. If you look at history many, many great things were brought to the public by stealing IP:

1. Henry Ford built the model T refused to pay roalyties to the people who owned the patent for the automobile and brought autos to the masses.

2. Glen Curtiss refused to pay royalties to the Wright Brothers who had a patent on the airplane and made air travel viable.

3. Numerous small time computer manufactures stole IP from IBM to make computers viable for the consumer market.

4. Microsoft stole IP from Xerox to make Windows.

5. Echostar stole digital video recording technology from Tivvo paving the way for video on demand of live broadcasts.

When you rush to the defense of IP rights consider your hypocrisy if you also use automobiles, airplanes, computers, windows and video on demand.

Yeah I don't believe protecting IP is a good thing. Conversly, good things happen when IP is stolen and made available to people for less.

I think IPs a good idea for a certain amount of time eg 10-20 years or whatever.

Multi generational not so much.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I think IPs a good idea for a certain amount of time eg 10-20 years or whatever.

Multi generational not so much.

"Thanks Disney"