D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

I was concerned that the Super Mario movie might eat D&D's launch when it comes out (today), but given the reviews its getting, and that it's even more child-oriented/merchandise-sales-focused than I had expected, I'm a bit less concerned about that. That should help D&D a bit over the coming weeks.
 

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Grace Randolph is worse than Ain’t it Cool News or Giant Freaking Robot.
I looked her up, not really having heard of her, and "Oh... my god..." (as per Pitch Meetings) is really my only possible response.

I don't think she's actually worse than AICN, because she's not like, a sex offender in addition to making stuff up and refusing to admit it's made up, but wow she really likes get into fights and then get utterly dumpstered/faceplanted by the facts, huh? Wow.

Pitch guy: So, I want the next D&D movie to include Drizzt!
Studio money guy: Who?
PG: Drizzt! The most famous successful D&D character ever, he's been in like 30 New York Times bestsellers!
SMG: Still never heard of him. But 30 bestsellers ... you have my attention. Who is this guy?
PG: He's the one good member of an evil race of elves, you can tell they're evil because they're black while all the good elves are white. But his black-skinned race rejects him for his good ways, and he has to flee black elf society and make a new home with a bunch of white-skinned blond- or red-headed kinda-Nordic people who understand goodness!
SMG: ...
PG: [expectant grin]
SMG: ...
SMG: You're high, right?

Drizzt is formative for me. 14yo me reading Drizzt novels is the reason 40something year old me is posting on this website. I grew out of the books eventually, but they still have a special place in my heart. But the Drizzt backstory just ain't gonna fly in 2023. Maybe you could include him as a cameo, or in a background scene as an easter egg like the cartoon characters were. But even then, it's not without complexities. For instance, to have anything resembling the traditional drow charcoal skin tone, you'd probably need to put an actor in something uncomfortably resembling blackface.
I love this, but I think Drizz't could be done.

That's a different question as to whether it should be, of course.

You would, however, need to massage things quite a bit. Like a lot. Here are my suggestions:

1) You go with the modern post-2000 Drow look, which is skin somewhere between slate and pale grey, sometimes purple-ish, probably usually mid-grey. You just cannot do the "blackface" look, no matter how hard you try that will end in tears 100%.

2) You do NOT introduce go all in on Drizz't's childhood in Menzoberranzan or Menzoberrazan at all. You start on the surface, and you use flashbacks and/or Drizz't having to return to the Underdark to talk about that. You also push things away from the kinky-abusive to the just plainly abusive.

3) You introduce non-Lolthian Drow societies at the same time as or even before really going for the Lolthian ones, and you make out that the Lolthian ones aren't the norm/default. This is now lore-correct AFAIK, or close enough.

4) With surface elves, you go hard on their Forgotten Realms skin tones - i.e. Moon Elves are often blue-ish, Sun Elves are golden-skinned and some dark-skinned with a golden sheen and so on. You make sure you don't end up in some places where surface elves are just "white people with pointy ears".

5) Redo Drizz't's buddies to be a bit more diverse, honestly I don't think anyone is that attached to them except Bruenor and maybe Catti-Brie.

6) For god's sake age up Catti-Brie so it doesn't look like she's being groomed since she was about fifteen (!!!) by a 100+ year-old elf.

7) Probably age-down Drizz't - I think it's canon that elves are adults by 20-ish and only TREATED as children/childish by other elves until they're like 100, rather than then literally not being adults until 100 (which was always totally nuts). Make them both mid-20s or something.

8) Don't like, mindlessly stick to the books - most TV based on books has realized this now - and often corrects mistakes of the books. It's been happening since stuff like True Blood and Vampire Diaries in the early '00s, both of which were drastically better than the books. Use material, characters, events, and so on from them, but don't feel beholden to them.

All that said, probably best not to lol.
 

Scrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeech… and D&D doesn’t have a 50 year old game at its highest peak to fall back on? GI Joe was coming out when no one cared, and still do not care, about GI Joe but Paramount is still making GI Joe movies.
A silly children's game isn't a toy, dude.

Clearly.
 

Though they were weirded out by how many strange races were just casually showing up in the movie like it was no big deal. Even so, they still got a kick out it.
Really? What made it weird?
Drizzt is formative for me. 14yo me reading Drizzt novels is the reason 40something year old me is posting on this website. I grew out of the books eventually, but they still have a special place in my heart. But the Drizzt backstory just ain't gonna fly in 2023. Maybe you could include him as a cameo, or in a background scene as an easter egg like the cartoon characters were. But even then, it's not without complexities. For instance, to have anything resembling the traditional drow charcoal skin tone, you'd probably need to put an actor in something uncomfortably resembling blackface.
Yeah... I'd be up for an updated Drizzt if the NERDS can keep their shirts on when he shows up as purplish grey like in the newer depictions and not just a straight black guy. I mean they could have him played by a black guy still (the usual suspect would probably scream about that too... ).

Or maybe Drizzt IS played by a black guy but they show the Lolthian Drows has just as diverse in skin tones as their Wood Elves counterparts but they get something else to distinguish them outside of that? Like, they all have stark white hair and purple eyes? That way you get a visible ‘you’re a Drow!’ tell and not make it uncomfortable with the skin tone?

3) You introduce non-Lolthian Drow societies at the same time as or even before really going for the Lolthian ones, and you make out that the Lolthian ones aren't the norm/default. This is now lore-correct AFAIK, or close enough.
Maybe you make the non-Lolthian Drow just live very far away so Drizzt still feels like an outsider even if he were to go to them.
 

I looked her up, not really having heard of her, and "Oh... my god..." (as per Pitch Meetings) is really my only possible response.

I don't think she's actually worse than AICN, because she's not like, a sex offender in addition to making stuff up and refusing to admit it's made up, but wow she really likes get into fights and then get utterly dumpstered/faceplanted by the facts, huh? Wow.


I love this, but I think Drizz't could be done.

That's a different question as to whether it should be, of course.

You would, however, need to massage things quite a bit. Like a lot. Here are my suggestions:

1) You go with the modern post-2000 Drow look, which is skin somewhere between slate and pale grey, sometimes purple-ish, probably usually mid-grey. You just cannot do the "blackface" look, no matter how hard you try that will end in tears 100%.

2) You do NOT introduce go all in on Drizz't's childhood in Menzoberranzan or Menzoberrazan at all. You start on the surface, and you use flashbacks and/or Drizz't having to return to the Underdark to talk about that. You also push things away from the kinky-abusive to the just plainly abusive.

3) You introduce non-Lolthian Drow societies at the same time as or even before really going for the Lolthian ones, and you make out that the Lolthian ones aren't the norm/default. This is now lore-correct AFAIK, or close enough.

4) With surface elves, you go hard on their Forgotten Realms skin tones - i.e. Moon Elves are often blue-ish, Sun Elves are golden-skinned and some dark-skinned with a golden sheen and so on. You make sure you don't end up in some places where surface elves are just "white people with pointy ears".

5) Redo Drizz't's buddies to be a bit more diverse, honestly I don't think anyone is that attached to them except Bruenor and maybe Catti-Brie.

6) For god's sake age up Catti-Brie so it doesn't look like she's being groomed since she was about fifteen (!!!) by a 100+ year-old elf.

7) Probably age-down Drizz't - I think it's canon that elves are adults by 20-ish and only TREATED as children/childish by other elves until they're like 100, rather than then literally not being adults until 100 (which was always totally nuts). Make them both mid-20s or something.

8) Don't like, mindlessly stick to the books - most TV based on books has realized this now - and often corrects mistakes of the books. It's been happening since stuff like True Blood and Vampire Diaries in the early '00s, both of which were drastically better than the books. Use material, characters, events, and so on from them, but don't feel beholden to them.

All that said, probably best not to lol.

They're being pretty evasive about it, but looks like there's a potential TV series that might feature Drizzt.

Of course there are so many caveats and maybes in the article that, if it happens at all, who knows what the actual plot/characters will be.
 

They're being pretty evasive about it, but looks like there's a potential TV series that might feature Drizzt.

Of course there are so many caveats and maybes in the article that, if it happens at all, who knows what the actual plot/characters will be.
Yeah I'm not sure that's actually happening. A lot of shows which were pitched during the later pandemic have ended up not actually getting made. Particularly as this one may well have had the pitch meeting go as described above by @humble minion!
 

Really? What made it weird?
They didn't know anything about Dragonborn, Aarakocra, Tabaxi, etc. So in the first scene they thought it was a monster prison and Edgin & Holga were being held by monsters and one human.

They wised up and even thought the tabaxi baby was cute, but at first they were genuinely confused why people were walking around with monsters like it was no big deal.
 

They didn't know anything about Dragonborn, Aarakocra, Tabaxi, etc. So in the first scene they thought it was a monster prison and Edgin & Holga were being held by monsters and one human.

They wised up and even thought the tabaxi baby was cute, but at first they were genuinely confused why people were walking around with monsters like it was no big deal.
The DM using microagressions to discourage playing the non-tolkien species while making direct eye contact with the teifling's player?
 


They didn't know anything about Dragonborn, Aarakocra, Tabaxi, etc. So in the first scene they thought it was a monster prison and Edgin & Holga were being held by monsters and one human.

They wised up and even thought the tabaxi baby was cute, but at first they were genuinely confused why people were walking around with monsters like it was no big deal.
Speaking of the parole board... I didn't even notice one of them was a halfling until she re-appeared in Neverwinter.
 

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