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D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

And they're paying that money independent of HAT.

I posted a link earlier about first click metrics.
And I countered with the absolute, undeniable fact that renewals matter to streamers.
A streaming service without renewals is a service that loses money.

Yes, Paramount is losing money on streaming. Every late adopter to streaming is. Because they don't have the new content to get signups and they don't have the backlog to keep subscribers.
How do you think Peacock, HBO Max etc transitioned from massive losses to smaller ones?
 

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how big a hit it is for Netflix at a purchase price of 400M is another question however


Paramount+ is, it’s not like they would get more if they gave it to a third party


not competing, vertical integration

Paramount is competing with whoever in the theatres, Paramount+ is competing with other streaming services.

The wins have the potential to get bigger, and so do the losses, because you can have either all the way, instead of in one ‘layer’ only. I doubt Paramount would make more money from HAT if they sold it to another service however.

They would get some money. Movies that make money streaming are generally studios selling product to a streamer eg Knives out.

Anyway Paramount.


And youtube.

 

And youtube.
YouTube didn't produce that. John whatever his name is did.

The Hollywood Reporter counters your assertion that there will be no money for Honor Among Thieves or other programming on Paramount+/Showtime/Pluto

He reiterated that 2023 will be a peak investment year for streaming. “But there is no question that our investment is producing results. And as we scale, we are very much on a related path to streaming profitability,” Bakish argued, without putting a timeline on breaking even.

“The levers are in place to continue to drive Paramount+ subscriber revenue and ultimately continue down this path to profitability,” Bakish added in response to a question about continuing momentum in streaming subscriber growth. He argued Paramount+’s content offerings and the coming combination with Showtime will help underpin growth.

PEAK INVESTMENT. Not pennies. Not maintaining last year's spend. They're spending even more, because ad revenue is falling faster than the streaming losses, and subscriber rates on their soon to be two streaming platforms (as Showtime is being bundled into Paramount+) are increasing, a lot.

That's why they already are spending for one D&D TV show. It's why they're going to put the highly regarded D&D movie on the streaming platform and use streaming funds to help offset its box office loss.

Every statement from the head of Paramount runs directly the opposite of your assertions
 

YouTube didn't produce that. John whatever his name is did.

The Hollywood Reporter counters your assertion that there will be no money for Honor Among Thieves or other programming on Paramount+/Showtime/Pluto



PEAK INVESTMENT. Not pennies. Not maintaining last year's spend. They're spending even more, because ad revenue is falling faster than the streaming losses, and subscriber rates on their soon to be two streaming platforms (as Showtime is being bundled into Paramount+) are increasing, a lot.

That's why they already are spending for one D&D TV show. It's why they're going to put the highly regarded D&D movie on the streaming platform and use streaming funds to help offset its box office loss.

Every statement from the head of Paramount runs directly the opposite of your assertions

Not really my assertion was D&D flopped at the box office.

But but but streaming is the counter to that. Well they're losing more money there as well.

The video was reporting on investors saying they should ditch streaming and pull a Sony.

They're in 5th place. Netflix makes money, Disney is projected to make money 2024 and Apple and Amazon can tank losses for way longer than Paramount.
 


and Disney+ is losing what? 3B or so? That is them investing and trying to grow fast. Whether it works out remains to be seen, for either

1.7 billion a on quarter. They're supposedly breaking even next year.

Paramount is 5 years away from that point assuming projections are correct.

Apparently going by the video which sources their stuff vs opinions.
 

That's video on demand.
Yes that is part of streaming revenue

Knives out was used as an example earlier. Netflix paid big money to aquire it as sequels and knives out was a massive hit relative to its budget.

Paramount paid half of the production costs and basically gain nothing from streaming rights. No one's paying them money to stream HAT. If one sub division pays another it's still Paramount at the end of the day. In effect they're competing with themselves.

That leaves VOD and first cluck metrics for additional streaming income you can directly measure.
The idea that you think if they paid for it to begin with that them then streaming it themselves means they don't make that streaming money from it is...so fundamentally misunderstanding how streaming revenue works I don't even know where to begin.

Yes, people pay them money to stream HAT. EVERYTHING they stream counts for part of the revenue from what they make from streaming and there are formulas which help determine what portion you can attribute to any particular content. I posted some of those formulas earlier.

This is literally one of the top reasons why all the writers in Hollywood are on strike right now.

That you think streaming content streamed by the company which produced that content "doesn't count" for revenue and is "setting money on fire" is just wrong on such a basic level that I truly am struggling to find the words to try and even begin to explain it. It's like I'd have to start by explaining what content means for an entertainment based content company, or what a subscription service is and how and why it works as a source of revenue, or how companies acquire content to begin with. And if I'd have to explain that basic level stuff, how did you even find yourself in this conversation in the first place? Did you really think "Produced by Netflix" on Netflix shows they stream through Netflix were shows they were losing money on because they didn't sell it instead to a competitor (at the discount wholesale rate you sell things to a competitor for)?

I guess I will start with an even more basic analogy. Let's say my company makes widgets and sells widgets. They can sell the widgets they make to another retailer of widgets for wholesale prices, or they can sell those widgets they make to the end consumer for retail prices themselves. If they sell it to the end consumer at retail prices themselves, have they "burned money" by doing that because they don't get to sell those same widgets to the third party retailer at wholesale rates?

Streaming companies sell content. That's their business. They can buy that content from another producer of content and re-sell it themselves, or they can make that content themselves and re-sell it themselves. Making it themselves and re-selling it is usually more profitable than buying it from someone else because they cut out a middle man in the process. That's how most products work and fundamentally streaming is no different.
 
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That's video on demand.

Knives out was used as an example earlier. Netflix paid big money to aquire it as sequels and knives out was a massive hit relative to its budget.

Paramount paid half of the production costs and basically gain nothing from streaming rights. No one's paying them money to stream HAT. If one sub division pays another it's still Paramount at the end of the day. In effect they're competing with themselves.

That leaves VOD and first cluck metrics for additional streaming income you can directly measure.
For me, are they going to get my money once on a movie, probably, twice, possibly but doubtful like on DVD et al...
 



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