D&D (2024) Do you see Fighter players at your own table?

[HammerMan]

make an Arcana check... its going to be the hardest DC in the game DC 30

Okay since I am swinging my sword can add my Str instead of int and use prof from my sword?

 

[Incenjucar]

make an Arcana check... its going to be the hardest DC in the game DC 30

Hey if I can get up to a +10 to Arcana I can get infinite wishes.

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

Sure. If you have some means of hitting the DCs then by all means go for it.

okay now remember the highest DC is 30 and someone with a 18 stat prof and expertise in a skill/tool at level 9+ has a +4 stat +4 prof and +4 expertise for a +12 so they can hit ANY DC in that at a 18+
imagine if I have a bard around to give me +1d8 insperation and +1d4 guidence for 1d20+1d8+1d4+12 vs a DC between 5 and 30

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

Okay since I am swinging my sword can add my Str instead of int and use prof from my sword?

yes to str I feel bad for that stat, but no to prof on weapon it's prof in arcana or not at all

Hey if I can get up to a +10 to Arcana I can get infinite wishes.

and as I just showed a +12 is not impossible by mid level

 

[Emberashh]

Okay since I am swinging my sword can add my Str instead of int and use prof from my sword?

The DM has great latitude in ruling what occurs in such an instance; the greater the wish, the greater the likelihood that something goes wrong.

As much as I despise its existence for how much it dominates perceptions on Caster capabilities, even I never actually banned it precisely because of this line.

"Congrats, you managed to somehow hit a 30 Arcana Check. Your sword swishes about in the air and nothing happens. Somewhere in the back of your mind, you feel your grandmothers disappointment".

okay now remember the highest DC is 30 and someone with a 18 stat prof and expertise in a skill/tool at level 9+ has a +4 stat +4 prof and +4 expertise for a +12 so they can hit ANY DC in that at a 18+
imagine if I have a bard around to give me +1d8 insperation and +1d4 guidence for 1d20+1d8+1d4+12 vs a DC between 5 and 30

Great. You built a great a character and your teams pitching in to help. Thats...what we want lmao

 

[HammerMan]

yes to str I feel bad for that stat, but no to prof on weapon it's prof in arcana or not at all

and as I just showed a +12 is not impossible by mid level

4 attempts means level 17 so +6 prof + 6 expertise +5 from Str for +17. Wish on 13+

 

[Yaarel]

@Yaarel , what do you gleam for your poll data so far.

My current impressions are:

• Fighter is a useful, versatile, enjoyable, and popular class.
• Players use the Fighter class in very different ways.
• There are about as many "old school" nonmagical Fighters as there are Monks.
• A significant segment − roughly 30% − never see this kind of nonmagical Fighter.
• The Fighter has already become the magical, "gish", "wuxia", "mythic" warrior for many players.

Currently, by this poll, about 2/3s of the groups see a nonmagical fighter by your rather strict definition. That, to me, is a huge number given all the options available. I don't think there is any other strict combination of class & subclass that would come close to meeting that threshold, but I could be wrong. So, what does that mean to you? Do this prove or debunk your hypothesis so far?

Certainly, the nonmagical Fighter enjoys popularity − and is iconic − and is appropriate for 50th anniversary edition.

The surprise is, this kind of Fighter is irrelevant for very many players today.

 

[HammerMan]

"Congrats, you managed to somehow hit a 30

SoMe how. Have you never played above level 10 hitting 30 isn’t hard

Arcana Check. Your sword swishes about in the air and nothing happens. Somewhere in the back of your mind, you feel your grandmothers disappointment".

Wait I declared and made the roll what happened?

 

[Azzy]

Go 2e and give back only getting 2 3 or 4 weapons you are prof in

If we're going back to 2e for inspiration, can we also have the combat maneuvers from the Complete Fighter's Handbook and Player's Option: Combat & Tactics?

 

[Incenjucar]

If we're going back to 2e for inspiration, can we also have the combat maneuvers from the Complete Fighter's Handbook and Player's Option: Combat & Tactics?

But this will upset people who were set in their ways in 2008.