trappedslider
Legend
Yeah, I also found it enjoyable.
It wasn't till I read an article on the movie that at the end that it was a callback to a previous event, but with the roles switched around.
-
NOW LIVE! Into the Woods--new character species, eerie monsters, and haunting villains to populate the woodlands of your D&D games.
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
- Thread starter Whizbang Dustyboots
- Start date
It wasn't till I read an article on the movie that at the end that it was a callback to a previous event, but with the roles switched around.
GreyLord
Legend
I just got back from seeing this as well. Minor spoilers will be in this, but I will try to use a spoiler tag, but unsure on whether they work or not.
I don't know what the Critics were smoking. This is a great Indiana Jones movie. Now, keep in mind I love all the Indiana Jones movies (including Crystal Skull)...so...that may give you a hint on my tastes. That said...I'd also say Indiana Jones also follows a similar rule to Star Trek now...but with Indiana Jones...it is every odd movie is the good one.
Temple of Doom and Crystal Skull are weaker movies overall (IN MY OPINION), though I still am a fan of them. I'd say this one comes out strong and stays strong.
One aspect is I think it really looks at nostalgia in ways where it appeals to fans and applies that to the movie.
The film itself is a fun ride. Indiana Jones IS the hero of the film. It doesn't make anyone else the BIG hero of the movie. You have character development, but at the end of the movie,
I think this is a good Indiana Jones movie and would say, if you are an Indiana Jones fan...you should see the movie. I have no idea what movie some of those who criticized it talking about feminism being overbearing or any sort of thing like that. It's not. Marion in Raiders and Crystal Skull is more a feminist icon in my opinion than the new lady that stars with Indiana Jones in this one.
. Indiana Jones is the Good guy of the film. I love how it ended as well
.
With that said. Every Odd Indiana Jones are the best...so hope they don't make another! If the trend holds true then the next one is going to be a weaker entry...rather have it end on a strong note than a weaker one!
I don't know what the Critics were smoking. This is a great Indiana Jones movie. Now, keep in mind I love all the Indiana Jones movies (including Crystal Skull)...so...that may give you a hint on my tastes. That said...I'd also say Indiana Jones also follows a similar rule to Star Trek now...but with Indiana Jones...it is every odd movie is the good one.
Temple of Doom and Crystal Skull are weaker movies overall (IN MY OPINION), though I still am a fan of them. I'd say this one comes out strong and stays strong.
One aspect is I think it really looks at nostalgia in ways where it appeals to fans and applies that to the movie.
Basically, unlike what they did with Star Wars, it feels as if they actually took a look at Indiana Jones and said...what have the Indiana Jones fans really liked in the past...what have they disliked. Well...they really like the movies with the Nazis...so let's include the Nazis. Even if it's a less popular one, they really liked Short Round and that Indiana Jones likes kids. Let's toss in some kids there. They really like Sallah, let's toss Salah in there. It feels like they really took a strong look at these items and wrote the film around that idea. Further, they actually BUILD on what came before. They build on the story and movies that came previously rather than a reboot or trying to erase them. Even the Crystal Skull is built upon.
The film itself is a fun ride. Indiana Jones IS the hero of the film. It doesn't make anyone else the BIG hero of the movie. You have character development, but at the end of the movie,
it's still Indiana Jones as the main character.
I think this is a good Indiana Jones movie and would say, if you are an Indiana Jones fan...you should see the movie. I have no idea what movie some of those who criticized it talking about feminism being overbearing or any sort of thing like that. It's not. Marion in Raiders and Crystal Skull is more a feminist icon in my opinion than the new lady that stars with Indiana Jones in this one.
The main lady character actually is sort of a villain at first, and only becomes sort of a hero because the character is developed and grows...but still isn't necessarily good either
though it also is a little sad as well, with his son having died, but having Marion there and the callback to nostalgia with their conversation as the film ends
With that said. Every Odd Indiana Jones are the best...so hope they don't make another! If the trend holds true then the next one is going to be a weaker entry...rather have it end on a strong note than a weaker one!
Tonguez
A suffusion of yellow
Romancing the Stone is great, but I wouldnt rate Relic Hunter that high (Maybe on par with Lara Croft actually)
Last edited:
Benjamin Olson
Hero
It seems it suffered quite a bit from a Cannes premier, which basically meant it disproportionately went straight to the section of professional critics with high brow pretensions and minimal tolerance for franchise fare, the consensus of which then influenced other critics.
Clint_L
Legend
I have to disagree. This is a fine Indiana Jones movie. Better than I expected. About on par with Temple of Doom (though tonally quite different) in terms of quality. I would consider Last Crusade a great Indiana Jones movie, and Raiders as the standard par excellence. It's miles better than Crystal Skull, though. If you are an Indiana Jones fan, I think you will enjoy it. If you're not, then you'll be significantly less inclined to forgive some pacing issues and a bit of a ridiculous final act.
And if, like me, sometimes all you want out of life on a summer evening is to see Indy punch some more Nazis, then you'll be very happy.
Zardnaar
Legend
‘Indiana Jones’ & The Box Office Of Doom: Why ‘Dial Of Destiny’ At $60M Opening Isn’t Setting Records For Franchise Finale – Updated Box Office
'Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny' is looking at a box office opening weekend of $60 million to $65 million in the U.S.
deadline.com
Tbf Indy was never a billion dollar franchise.
Adjusted for inflation the originals were a several hundred millions.
Benjamin Olson
Hero
I guess you took my saying it "suffered" from Cannes to refer to it's box office. I was just talking about why the critical reception was so oddly negative.‘Indiana Jones’ & The Box Office Of Doom: Why ‘Dial Of Destiny’ At $60M Opening Isn’t Setting Records For Franchise Finale – Updated Box Office
'Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny' is looking at a box office opening weekend of $60 million to $65 million in the U.S.
Tbf Indy was never a billion dollar franchise.
Adjusted for inflation the originals were a several hundred millions.
On the financial point, I think the value of the franchise in the 1980s really has only tangential weight on the value as a nostalgic property in the 2020s. It's simply not the same people seeing movies. The value of an 80s franchise today is about what cultural resonance it had in the intervening years, not what numbers it did 30-40 years ago. There were seven Police Academy movies from 1984-94, with a combined gross of over a half-billion dollars before inflation, but nobody's betting on that franchise for a nostalgia cash grab (I have only ever heard it mentioned to marvel at how many entries there somehow were). Meanwhile 1987's The Princess Bride was barely a success (the financially disappointing sixth most successful Police Academy movie did somewhat better numbers) but has continuously maintained or gained popularity in the intervening years and would almost certainly be the more valuable "franchise" if someone could figure out a way to monetize it.
An unusually large number of big movies seem to be financial disappointments this year. I think the basic issue is that a lot of people who rarely went to the movies pre-pandemic transitioned into being people who never go to the movies at all post-pandemic. At this point they probably get a better viewing experience at home, the waiting period to a streaming launch is pretty negligible, and costs of tickets feel truly obscene to anyone who already felt they were overpriced years ago and then wasn't around for several rounds of price hikes. Also, when the D&D movie got me to make my first multiplex visit since 2019 that it was just no longer a familiar process in my comfort zone. I had gone all touch screen ticket purchasing, had adopted assigned seats, and seemed to primarily be geared towards holders of unlimited passes. I got the hang of things quickly enough, but if I was a bit older, a bit more curmugeonly, and a bit more ambivalent about the thing I was going to see I probably would have just walked away.
Last edited:
Paul Farquhar
Legend
Fewer than Fast & Furious.
I think it's the people who would have gone to the movies fairly regularly - say once a month - but would decide to go first, then choose what to see from the list of whatever was showing, who have completely transitioned to streaming as a result of the pandemic. People are still turning out for the occasional big "event" movie if they get enough buzz, but nothing else.
Also, dating. I don't think people are going to movies on a date any more.
Last edited:
Zardnaar
Legend
I hink there's several things going on.
1. Superhero fatigue. Iirc there's 9 of them coming out this year. Post endgame.
2. Bloated budgets requiring 600-800million+ to turn a profit. 2019 was a historic high box office.
3. Meh repetitive writing
4. Movies found to streaming very fast after launch.
5. Post covid shenanigans.
6. Sequelities/remake fatigue.
Zardnaar
Legend
Cost 329 million apparently with 100 million in marketing.
deadline.com
‘Indiana Jones’ & The Box Office Of Doom: Why ‘Dial Of Destiny’ At $60M Opening Isn’t Setting Records For Franchise Finale – Updated Box Office
'Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny' is looking at a box office opening weekend of $60 million to $65 million in the U.S.
deadline.com
