D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

[Vaalingrade]

As far as I can tell, the big lesson Hollywood should learn from all the bombs this year is "don't release films in 2023". It doesn't look like that's the lesson they are going to learn, though.

More don't rush films that were in development during the pandemic and cut out writers from the process of polishing them.

 

[Kurotowa]

As far as I can tell, the big lesson Hollywood should learn from all the bombs this year is "don't release films in 2023". It doesn't look like that's the lesson they are going to learn, though.

I'm just waiting for the inevitable attempts to artificially force a Barbenheimer type cross promotion. Which will surely go about as well as the re-release of Morbius to try and capitalize on its meme status.

 

[Jaeger]

sure, as I said we have correlation, not causation, if you can come up with a better reason for the 74% increase jump (and it's not the D&D books selling that much more, we know that...) then I'd like to hear it. Until then this sounds more like denial than a well reasoned argument.

They do make a mention:

D&D was up in the quarter, and segment results were also buoyed by a 33% increase in digital revenues,

WotC and Digital Gaming Down in Q2

And Hasbro Writes Off $25 Million on 'D&D' Movie

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A healthy bump in Digital Revenue could account for an overall 74% jump. Digital has big ROI for the D&D brand.

There's a reason that they are bullish on BG3 for next quarter. That game has the potential to bring in more money than the movie.

That being said: This is Still speculation as well, because Hasbro does not single out what they think led to the overall bump in D&D.

 

[FrogReaver]

Do you know how much Hasbro spent marketing movie?

No, but Does it matter when we know that their inflows due to ticket sales, vod and streaming minus their outflows like marketing, distribution costs, etc comes out to -25 mil?

 

[Zardnaar]

Agreed.



As far as I can tell, the big lesson Hollywood should learn from all the bombs this year is "don't release films in 2023". It doesn't look like that's the lesson they are going to learn, though.

Not really there's been a few big and small hits. Two billion dollar movies (2019 was abnormal with 6).

Making formulaic repetitive movies however....

 

[Zardnaar]

No, but Does it matter when we know that their inflows due to ticket sales, vod and streaming minus their outflows like marketing, distribution costs, etc comes out to -25 mil?

Not really but Paramount probably lost even more. Roughly we think they lost around 100 million theatrically.

If Hasbro lost 25 million and Paramount the sane kind of indicates they got 50 million approx on the back end which is quite believable with a box office flop.

Earlier I did use several examples of movies that got more than 80 million on streaming. The reasons they got that amount though didn't apply to HAT eg streaming exclusive, theatrical hit or acclaimed pet project for a director to make streaming movies.

Anyone here with investments or property that would invest in a D&D sequel? That might be a telling question.

 

[FrogReaver]

Not really but Paramount probably lost even more. Roughly we think they lost around 100 million theatrically.

If Hasbro lost 25 million and Paramount the sane kind of indicates they got 50 million approx on the back end which is quite believable with a box office flop.

Earlier I did use several examples of movies that got more than 80 million on streaming. The reasons they got that amount though didn't apply to HAT eg streaming exclusive, theatrical hit or acclaimed pet project for a director to make streaming movies.

Why do you think paramount lost more?

Anyone here with investments or property that would invest in a D&D sequel? That might be a telling question.

What do you think this would prove that anyone doesn’t already agree with?

 

[Zardnaar]

Why do you think paramount lost more?

What do you think this would prove that anyone currently disagrees with?

Paramount thing Hasbro fronted has production cost but it's usually the studio who pays marketing.

Another poster said 60+ million on marketing so total costs are 213 odd million of which hasbro paid 75 million.

 

[FrogReaver]

Paramount thing Hasbro fronted has production cost but it's usually the studio who pays marketing.

Do we know for a fact that hasboro didn’t also pay half of marketing?

Another poster said 60+ million on marketing so total costs are 213 odd million of which hasbr9 paid 75 million.

Total speculation.

 

[Zardnaar]

Do we know for a fact that hasboro didn’t also pay half of marketing?

Total speculation.

No Hasbro themselves said the put 75 million in.

Wasn't m who claimed 60 million in marketing bit its around what you would expect for a 150 million movie. These 250 million+ flops are carrying 100+ million marketing budgets.