D&D 5E Wizards Do Suck;)

[Horwath]

Wizard should have access to ALL spells.
That should be enough to balance out other mediocre and bland class abilities.

 

[cbwjm]

Wizard should have access to ALL spells.
That should be enough to balance out other mediocre and bland class abilities.

I somewhat agree. Get rid of the various spellcasting classes and merge them into a single class with access to all spells. Subclasses could focus the spellcaster into wizards, priests, druids, etc.

 

[Neonchameleon]

By the stats wizards are fine. Enough people play them that they are the second most popular casters behind warlocks - and the three unpopular classes are (for different reasons) the druid, the monk, and the artificer.

Thematically wizards are all same-y to the point I'm only partly joking when I suggest they should be a sorcerer subclass. With the arguable exception of the bladesinger and possibly the diviner there simply isn't much to the subclasses (although far more than the 2e and 3.X ones). The problem they have is that unlike literally every other class they haven't had much of a glow-up in either 4e or 5e, mostly because their power is in the base class with little left over for the subclasses. Playing a wizard once is fun - just as any good subclass is fun. Playing one a second time? Is far more like the first than any other class if you've changed subclasses.

 

[Zardnaar]

By the stats wizards are fine. Enough people play them that they are the second most popular casters behind warlocks - and the three unpopular classes are (for different reasons) the druid, the monk, and the artificer.

Thematically wizards are all same-y to the point I'm only partly joking when I suggest they should be a sorcerer subclass. With the arguable exception of the bladesinger and possibly the diviner there simply isn't much to the subclasses (although far more than the 2e and 3.X ones). The problem they have is that unlike literally every other class they haven't had much of a glow-up in either 4e or 5e, mostly because their power is in the base class with little left over for the subclasses. Playing a wizard once is fun - just as any good subclass is fun. Playing one a second time? Is far more like the first than any other class if you've changed subclasses.

Druids can't catch a break lol they've been least played for years.

3.5 power up was an attempt yo get people to play them. Still failed.

kind of oddball class though weaker than cleric in combat, weak blasters, can summon stuff I ssuppose.Theyre interesting at least.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Wizards suck because they aren't allowed to have real class features, and more often than not their subclass features are just kind of milquetoast. It's more or less the same problem the Fighter had for the longest time: Most of the cool stuff was cut away to give to other classes.

Yeah this is the key problem and it goes all the way back to DND Next. WotC, for some inexplicable reason, decided that Wizard had to be complete desert of a class, because their deal was going to be "having all the arcane spells".

But that's not a deal, it's not a niche, as I said, it's barely even an idea. They could have given them actual class features - revolving around them being "book casters", and being able to pull spells out of their arse and stuff to give them flexibility.

But nope. They just made them almost completely featureless and devoid of flavour or style.

They could have fixed it in 2024, but nope. They just listened to a bunch of grogs saying Wizards needed their own spell list - even though they've never actually polled on that, and it was probably a tiny number of the poll-answerers who wanted it. So we continue onwards with a completely featureless bland class, and all other classes have to have spell lists because of them, and all other classes have to not have certain abilities or ways of operating because of them. It's just a ridiculous situation that a designer with any kind of actual vision could sort out in a heartbeat, frankly.

 

[TheSword]

Though the base class chassis is definitely worse than sorcerer. I think the Metamagic feat improves wizards a fair bit and I they have better subclasses than most other casters.

It will be interesting to see what comes out for them in 2024 I liked the idea of wizard experimentation, just not sure the playtest had the mechanics nailed down.

 

[Zardnaar]

Though the base class chassis is definitely worse than sorcerer. I think the Metamagic feat improves wizards a fair bit and I they have better subclasses than most other casters.

It will be interesting to see what comes out for them in 2024 I liked the idea of wizard experimentation, just not sure the playtest had the mechanics nailed down.

It's a cute wizard feat. It's a great Sorcerer feat.

 

[aco175]

Wizard should have access to ALL spells.
That should be enough to balance out other mediocre and bland class abilities.

I was kind of thinking the same reading this thread. It was more focused on healing spells since bards get them. Healing spells do not seem to be 'divine' in nature anymore if non-clerics have access to them, leaving that argument out with new editions.

Wizards have the idea of being bookish, studying types but cannot get other class spells like a bard can either. Bards get that ability where they can choose a spell from any list which makes sense for a wizard as well.

I guess people can argue a lot of features can be thought of for other classes s well. I do not want to argue for limiting classes but by promoting some over others leaves the other classes on the short end and then we make threads saying things like wizards such and they need more powers to compete.

 

[CreamCloud0]

I was kind of thinking the same reading this thread. It was more focused on healing spells since bards get them. Healing spells do not seem to be 'divine' in nature anymore if non-clerics have access to them, leaving that argument out with new editions.

Wizards have the idea of being bookish, studying types but cannot get other class spells like a bard can either. Bards get that ability where they can choose a spell from any list which makes sense for a wizard as well.

I guess people can argue a lot of features can be thought of for other classes s well. I do not want to argue for limiting classes but by promoting some over others leaves the other classes on the short end and then we make threads saying things like wizards such and they need more powers to compete.

i could see bards getting less picks but from any spell lists with wizards getting more picks but limited to only getting to pick from the other four(bard, sorcerer, warlock, artificer) arcane caster lists, this would fit with bard's magic being more freeform and from a source of creativity.

 

[jgsugden]

Correct, the accidental hilarity of the rest of your post really just proves my point completely, as does the hilarious "Okay let's ignore everything you've said, and stick to the facts!" and then "the facts" are you reiteration of your views and absolutely nothing else lol damn son.

I wish you good luck and suggest you look further into the assumptions upon which you base your argument. I'll just go back to enjoying playing wizards.