D&D 5E What are the "True Issues" with 5e?

[Gammadoodler]

Maybe I missed something I didn't see any of the Mocking or Hyperbole that was mentioned. He even tried to end the conversation by stating they weren't going to agree. At that point I'd say the person that won't let it go is misbehaving. It's been a long thread maybe I missed something maybe I didn't but Oofta doesn't usually mock people so I'd imagine that was insulting.

This..at least..

Right. Which is why we need a cross reference calculation chart. Type of shovel, cross referenced with type of soil, add in current ground moisture levels, potential obstacles like roots and stones! Remember to factor in depth as well since the soil composition may well change. Double check the weight of the character if it's dense soil and the character can stand on the shovel. Don't forget to include their strength modifier.

Phew. Okay, only a page or two of complex calculations, just be sure to cross reference with the soil type and density charts and we should be good to go! After all, don't want the DM just making up a number and going with it since most of the factors are arbitrary anyway.

 

[nevin]

fair enough his bad behavior, but you ignore the badgering behavior of the other guy and defend him. Really doesn't make people want to listen to your side of things. Bad behavior is bad behavior. When someone says I'm not going to agree at that point anything but silence is probably a bad choice. Your just beating a dead horse because your ego won't let you stop.

 

[Vaalingrade]

While I really, really want every item included in the book to matter and have a point...

Ugh, my playtesting has proven players also want a lot of cruft the have for the aesthetic or 'just in case'.

I thought I had thought of everything. I made soap functional. I had deluxe glamping spreads that gave you a small bonus on the next encounter. There's a section on different light sources, and ropes.

But apparently we needed entries and prices and weights for wooden cups, the individual contents of a tackle box, cats of multiple types (five emails about this. I gave cat stats. Then I needed to give prices and weight, then I needed ACCURATE weight, then I needed to add Siamese cats, THEN they didn't appreciate me asking what is Siam in a context of Absolutely Not Earth), and most galling, a repair kit for the damn hangglider. Every player has access to get a hangglider immediately, but I somehow got someone who hangglides and was informed it makes no sense that their character doesn't have the means to perform regular maintenance.

D&D players do not understand 'genre adherence' and especially not 'abstraction'.

 

[Gammadoodler]

fair enough his bad behavior, but you ignore the badgering behavior of the other guy and defend him. Really doesn't make people want to listen to your side of things. Bad behavior is bad behavior. When someone says I'm not going to agree at that point anything but silence is probably a bad choice. Your just beating a dead horse because your ego won't let you stop.

If anyone was badgering, it was me.

But tbh, what has happened is that multiple posters have tried to engage Oofta on this, Mannahin was responding to Oofta's reply to Ruin Explorer.

Certainly, it's now time to disengage, since it appears that Oofta has nothing more to say.

But an accurate description of bad behavior in a thread seems like something we should expect when we engage in bad behavior while proclaiming our innocence.

 

[Micah Sweet]

no the statement was meant to show i don't care about record keeping games. Wizard spell pouches, days of rations etc. I hate being the DM resource management office.

Then what kind of games do you care about? Because D&D has some of all that, no matter what edition.

 

[Celebrim]

Talked to a former player who is playing 5e with another DM. Things he mentioned:

a) "Dying is almost impossible so it doesn't feel like the game matters any and you have to make your fun entirely through role-play." Said that he's frequently tempted to create intra-party conflict because the conflict with the environment/NPCs feels meaningless.
b) "The system often breaks emersion." He can never escape from the fact he's playing a game because the rules don't try to simulate anything other than a game.
c) He went on at length about how he hates auto-success on a 20.

I don't play 5e so I can't evaluate whether his claims are specific to the table he's playing at or more general to the system, but that's the take he gave me.

 

[W'rkncacnter]

c) He went on at length about how he hates auto-success on a 20.

this is 100% table specific. auto-success on a 20 only exists for attack rolls in 5e RAW.

 

[Mannahnin]

fair enough his bad behavior, but you ignore the badgering behavior of the other guy and defend him. Really doesn't make people want to listen to your side of things. Bad behavior is bad behavior. When someone says I'm not going to agree at that point anything but silence is probably a bad choice. Your just beating a dead horse because your ego won't let you stop.

What badgering, man? That was, as far as I can remember, my one and only exchange here with Oofta. I think Oofta's a good dude, but I took exception to how he treated other people in this thread, and I thought his arguments were fallacious, and I felt compelled to comment on those things. I probably should have refrained from the temptation. My bad, perhaps, for indulging.

 

[Parmandur]

Talked to a former player who is playing 5e with another DM. Things he mentioned:

a) "Dying is almost impossible so it doesn't feel like the game matters any and you have to make your fun entirely through role-play." Said that he's frequently tempted to create intra-party conflict because the conflict with the environment/NPCs feels meaningless.
b) "The system often breaks emersion." He can never escape from the fact he's playing a game because the rules don't try to simulate anything other than a game.
c) He went on at length about how he hates auto-success on a 20.

I don't play 5e so I can't evaluate whether his claims are specific to the table he's playing at or more general to the system, but that's the take he gave me.

There is no auto-success on a 20, that's a houserule or misunderstanding.

Those other elements are...takes.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Heh.

My character last long enough that my roleplaying choices matter! Terrible!

I'm aware that the game I'm playing is a game! Horror.

There's the one rule that's not actually a rule. The Game's Fault!

It'd be funny if it wasn't such a common collection of things people harp on.