D&D General Why the resistance to D&D being a game?

[Oofta]

Hang on, so now you're saying that all D&D fighters are supernatural because they can do things that are unexplainable by natural law - eg withstand being punched by giants and bitten by dragons, kill lions bare-handed, etc?

I was saying that the cars are not mundane cars that appear in shows that, unlike the MCU movies, pretend to be real cars. The first few F&F movies had cars that were more-or-less realistic but every sequel seemed to make them just a little more over the top.

D&D is obviously heroic fiction. But at a certain point you cross over from heroic fiction mundane action hero (e.g. Rambo, recent James Bond movies, even Batman most of the time) to supernatural.

In any case this is just going round and round. You have a very different definition of what mundane in a heroic

 

[hawkeyefan]

Walking into any situation at all and forcing people to attack you is mundane? Really?

Seems to be so to me. @pemerton routinely gets attacked simply by posting in a thread!

 

[Cadence]

D&D is obviously heroic fiction. But at a certain point you cross over from heroic fiction mundane action hero (e.g. Rambo, recent James Bond movies, even Batman most of the time) to supernatural.

I think each of us has a different point depending on the genre.

 

[MichaelSomething]

D&D is obviously heroic fiction. But at a certain point you cross over from heroic fiction mundane action hero (e.g. Rambo, recent James Bond movies, even Batman most of the time) to supernatural.

I would say that point is somewhere between levels six and ten. So call it level eight??

 

[Micah Sweet]

Hang on, so now you're saying that all D&D fighters are supernatural because they can do things that are unexplainable by natural law - eg withstand being punched by giants and bitten by dragons, kill lions bare-handed, etc?

How does a D&D fighter kill a lion bare-handed?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Anyway, here's an ability that a D&D fighter has: they can roll to hit and then to deal damage, thus potentially killing someone or something.

They can do this even if they are tiny and the something is huge (eg they are going toe-to-toe with a giant, or a dragon). Even if the thing is pounding on them relentlessly (eg a giant with its club, or a dragon with its teeth and claws). Even if they have had to do the same thing 5 times earlier without any rest between bouts.

To me, that means that D&D fighters are supernatural! After all, no one in real life could possibly do such things! It makes no sense at all.

And we're back to the refrain that because something in the game strains credulity, everything does and so it doesn't matter. More all or nothing from the anti-simulation crowd.

 

[hawkeyefan]

How does a D&D fighter kill a lion bare-handed?

By hitting AC 12 and dealing 26 points of damage.

 

[Gimby]

How does a D&D fighter kill a lion bare-handed?

By doing 26 hp of damage vs AC 12 with unarmed strikes. Probably fairly straightforward to do solo by level 3 or so

 

[Gammadoodler]

And we're back to the refrain that because something in the game strains credulity, everything does and so it doesn't matter. More all or nothing from the anti-simulation crowd.

I'm not sure this is a particularly apt summation. I think it's more like..

a lot...
a lot...
a whole heckuva lot.....

of things in the game strain credulity..

such that credulity may rather be the problem than the offending game elements.

 

[pemerton]

And we're back to the refrain that because something in the game strains credulity, everything does and so it doesn't matter. More all or nothing from the anti-simulation crowd.

I'm simply pointing out that, by the mooted standards of you and @Oofta, that's a supernatural ability.