WotC Hasbro gains big time from D&D, Magic, Monopoly, and Baldur's Gate 3

[Oofta]

That's your opinion. Good for you! Other people who are enthusiasts in the hobby are more skeptical/suspicious of what Hasbro will do to the game in the pursuit of monetization and maximum growth. Still other people have decided to continue support 3rd party but never go back to 5e. etc. You asked what the "statute of limitations" was on them having those opinions and, fyi, it's going to be a lot longer than 9 months. So you'll have to get used to people on ttrpg enthusiast message boards "derailing" threads by doing things like expressing their opinions.

It's gotten to the point where it's borderline thread crapping. It never has anything to do with the topic of the thread. Want to create a thread about how terrible it was? Knock yourself out. I'll ignore it.

Until then when people bring in this tangent up yet again, I will reserve the right to call it out. I guess you'll have to get used to it.

 

[Scribe]

It's gotten to the point where it's borderline thread crapping. It never has anything to do with the topic of the thread. Want to create a thread about how terrible it was? Knock yourself out. I'll ignore it.

Until then when people bring in this tangent up yet again, I will reserve the right to call it out. I guess you'll have to get used to it.

While certainly that is your right, its not going to help people 'move on' from the issue. Thats not how flame wars work.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

That's your opinion. Good for you! Other people who are enthusiasts in the hobby are more skeptical/suspicious of what Hasbro will do to the game in the pursuit of monetization and maximum growth. Still other people have decided to continue support 3rd party but never go back to 5e. etc. You asked what the "statute of limitations" was on them having those opinions and, fyi, it's going to be a lot longer than 9 months. So you'll have to get used to people on ttrpg enthusiast message boards "derailing" threads by doing things like expressing their opinions.

There is expressing an opinion, and there is threadcrapping every time anything relates at all to that opinion.

 

[Hussar]

Paizo Publishing isn't composed of even a single person? Not one? Because I remember them saying that, while they didn't want to, they were prepared to go to court to defend the OGL:


Don't even get me started on how all of those DDB cancellations do, in fact, count as a form of "stepping up" to enforce (albeit indirectly) the OGL.

All those cancellations that amounted to not having any impact on WotC’s income? Those cancellations?

See I find it rather baffling. Those upset about the end of the ogl got a better deal. CC is enforceable. It’s perpetual. It doesn’t rely on the goodwill of any one party.

A company attempting to renegotiate a contract that it sees as not beneficial to it is not morally wrong. It just isn’t. The fact that the contract was unenforceable makes those challenges inevitable. The ogl was never going to last. It couldn’t.

But people got the best result possible. A perpetual contract that IS enforceable and enforced.

Why keep beating a dead horse over it? We won. It’s like people who endlessly do donuts on the grave of 4e. What’s the point?

 

[darjr]

All those cancellations that amounted to not having any impact on WotC’s income? Those cancellations?

See I find it rather baffling. Those upset about the end of the ogl got a better deal. CC is enforceable. It’s perpetual. It doesn’t rely on the goodwill of any one party.

A company attempting to renegotiate a contract that it sees as not beneficial to it is not morally wrong. It just isn’t. The fact that the contract was unenforceable makes those challenges inevitable. The ogl was never going to last. It couldn’t.

But people got the best result possible. A perpetual contract that IS enforceable and enforced.

Why keep beating a dead horse over it? We won. It’s like people who endlessly do donuts on the grave of 4e. What’s the point?

This isn’t what I did.

I commented on a post that essentially said no one heard of the OGL debacle, when in fact many people heard.

 

[mamba]

All those cancellations that amounted to not having any impact on WotC’s income? Those cancellations?

since you have no idea how much money they would have made without the cancellations, you cannot really say there was no impact.

See I find it rather baffling. Those upset about the end of the ogl got a better deal. CC is enforceable. It’s perpetual. It doesn’t rely on the goodwill of any one party.

the difference is we had to strong-arm them, they did not offer it. They only offered it once they felt it was better to do so than to continue down the path of terminating the OGL

A company attempting to renegotiate a contract that it sees as not beneficial to it is not morally wrong. It just isn’t.

this is not what happened. It just isn't.

The fact that the contract was unenforceable makes those challenges inevitable. The ogl was never going to last. It couldn’t.

nonsense, it is enforceable, and WotC backed down before they had to find out the hard way

Why keep beating a dead horse over it?

why indeed, not sure why you are...

 

[Scribe]

Why keep beating a dead horse over it?

Because the same 'Wizards did nothing wrong' arguments used, were actually being used in the immediate aftermath.

It was wrong then, and it remains wrong, and considering the almost instantaneous revisionism that was on display after Wizards put the SRD in CC, and the instant push back, and its the same small handful of people on both sides?

Clearly its because both 'sides' still have an axe to grind. Which is fine. I've been in 'discusssions' that lasted and flared up over a decade in duration. All good if people want to continue the senseless debate, but yeah.

Why do people try and downplay what Wizards was doing? Who knows.

 

[Zardnaar]

It wouldnt be the same. The FR/D&D has an appeal.

Think Bioware where they did Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic then later did Mass Effect. Then Dragonage. Then screwed it up.

They didn't need the Star Wars brand at that point. I remember buying mass effect blind didn't know anything about it but the cover looked interesting and had Bioware written on it.

 

[Velderan]

I wonder if the next step should be acquiring other videogame studio, or a merger, for example with LEGO or playmobil. Why not a licenced pack of D&D for playmobil?

At the risk of bringing this thread back on topic, I missed this part of your post back in the beginning of the thread. Isn't there a licensed D&D Lego set coming out next year? If that does well, I wonder if we could see more licensed Lego sets. There's definitely a void in the current Lego market for some good castle theme sets, could be a good arrangement for both Hasbro and Lego.

 

[Alzrius]

All those cancellations that amounted to not having any impact on WotC’s income? Those cancellations?

Not having any impact? Are you unaware of Linda Codega's reporting, or do you just think you know better?

Cancelled D&D Beyond Subscriptions Forced Hasbro's Hand

Swift consumer action prompted Dungeons & Dragons publisher Wizards of the Coast to to scrap licensing updates. The players aren't done yet.

gizmodo.com

Or is this some sort of attempt to move the goalposts by making it about "WotC's income" rather than "stepping up" to "enforce" the OGL?

See I find it rather baffling. Those upset about the end of the ogl got a better deal. CC is enforceable.

Sounds like you forgot that there's more that was released under the OGL than just the 5.1 SRD.

Also, the idea that CC is somehow a "better deal" than the OGL is something that an actual lawyer looked skeptically on right here on these boards. ("What I'm seeing now is a running away from the OGL, when legally I think it remains very stable even in the face of an attempted withdrawal of offer by WotC, and at the same time a new fetishisation of the CC which is no better grounded in legal reasoning than the prior attitude towards the OGL.")