D&D (2024) PC Gamer: It's clear Hasbro, the custodians of D&D, have no idea what to do with Baldur's Gate 3's success

[Umbran]

So you're offended by a storyline that doesn't depict an entire race as evil and the audacity to be respectful towards non-binary people. Good for you for proving the point.

Mod Note:
Hey there. You were warned about being insulting yesterday. This is not an auspicious start. I'm going to remove you from this discussion, and maybe we'll see if you engage in other topics with less aggression.

 

[SkidAce]

Larian was on the verge of going under prior to Bg3

Divinity Original Sin 1 & 2?

 

[Hussar]

there is quite a bit of difference between playing the computer version of a board game and race car driving or flying lessons instead of a flight simulator…


most people I know that play board games also play computer games


and you presume that there isn’t without any actual data, that is not any better. If anything it is worse as you insist on 0% overlap, mine could be any number, 2% or 5% or whatever, it does not have to be 100%

The plural of anecdote is not data. That's great for you I guess? That you know people who play both board games and computer games? And, again, I didn't insist on 0% overlap. That's you being overly pedantic. My point was that there is ZERO evidence that computer games pull in new TTRPG players. Just like Mario Kart doesn't pull in new race car drivers. I know it might be hard to believe, but playing BG3 on a computer and sitting down with four or five other players to play a TTRPG are not really related. Like, at all.

New starter set where the pregens are all the BG3 NPCs. Includes a pre-painted miniature for each. There you go. If such a thing existed, there is zero chance I don't own it, in spite of my more-or-less personal boycott of WotC.

Would that bring gobs of newbies over to tabletop D&D? Well, it would surely bring in some. That product would sell to people who would not otherwise think of buying a D&D book. And while I'd love to believe that I'm some kind of marketing genius, this is all kind of basic and obvious.

Why is it basic and obvious? Prepainted specific minis? Our beginner box is now going to cost over 30 bucks? As opposed to the under 20 that it is now? And your presumption is that the increased price will be worth it because they will sell so many more copies of something just because you want it?

I'm really not seeing the big push here. What I am seeing is a bunch of people who want something, and figure that because it's what they want, then everyone else must want it too.

 

[Reynard]

I didn't get the impression that the author of the article was doing any such thing. The point is that the massive success of BG3 is a huge opportunity -- one that Wizards has largely squandered. Ditto for Critical Role. It's not as if D&D isn't successful at the moment, but considering the amazing good fortune that's fallen right into their lap twice, you have to wonder how much more successful it might have been if Hasbro didn't keep dropping the ball. And whether or not they can survive leaner years, which are inevitably coming.

I'm not sure how anyone gets the impression that WotC squandered the impact of Critical Role, given they have used Mercer and other cast members is their own marketing pushes as well as published CR books.

 

[mamba]

I didn't insist on 0% overlap. That's you being overly pedantic. My point was that there is ZERO evidence that computer games pull in new TTRPG players.

you kinda did insist on 0%, maybe 0.001%, as you said that one or two people is not a counterpoint, you are not insisting on absolutely 0.

Also, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. That we have no data on this does not make it evidence that there is (almost) no one playing BG3 who would try D&D and hasn’t played it before.

Prepainted specific minis? Our beginner box is now going to cost over 30 bucks?

the next starter box probably will cost more than that too, also, it does have minis, doesn’t it?

 

[Hussar]

you kinda did insist on 0%, maybe 0.001%, as you said that one or two people is not a counterpoint, you are not insisting on absolutely 0.

Also, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. That we have no data on this does not make it evidence that there is (almost) no one playing BG3 who would try D&D and hasn’t played it before.


the next starter box probably will cost more than that too, also, it does have minis, doesn’t it?

Sorry, you're the one making the claims. It's on you to back those claims up. You're insisting that there would be enough overlap between computer gamers and TTRPG players that they would be worth chasing. And your entire argument seems to rest on the idea that some of the people that you know play both computer games and board games.

And you want WotC to spend millions of dollars marketing on something you have zero evidence for. Apparently because you feel that I've somehow said something that I've repeatedly clarified.

It would be helpful if you weren't trying to score Internet points here.

 

[Misanthrope Prime]

So you're offended by a storyline that doesn't depict an entire race as evil and the audacity to be respectful towards non-binary people. Good for you for proving the point.

Rising up in armed rebellion against oppression is "evil" now?

 

[tetrasodium]

Rising up in armed rebellion against oppression is "evil" now?

It's been quite a few years and it's fuzzy now buy... Fwiw: I deliberately played an elf made in dao to revel in the darkness of a horrible world where bad things happened and people had to make hard choices (like the dwarf golems). I probably could have lived with the sequel's shift from strategic turn based,(?) combat to something more actionish, but the world and story was such a radical leap towards the comic code of old that it just kept making me roll my eyes and sigh till I eventually checked if it has a turn where the perfect world falls away to expose the rest of things & quit well before finishing when I found out it just got worse.

 

[pukunui]

It's been quite a few years and it's fuzzy now buy... Fwiw: I deliberately played an elf made in dao to revel in the darkness of a horrible world where bad things happened and people had to make hard choices (like the dwarf golems). I probably could have lived with the sequel's shift from strategic turn based,(?) combat to something more actionish, but the world and story was such a radical leap towards the comic code of old that it just kept making me roll my eyes and sigh till I eventually checked if it has a turn where the perfect world falls away to expose the rest of things & quit well before finishing when I found out it just got worse.

I don’t follow you. None of the DA games are turn-based. They’re all real-time with pause. Also, DA2 was pretty grim. I mean, Hawke’s mother gets turned into a flesh golem bride by a serial killer, for example. And you can force your surviving sibling to become a Grey Warden.

DAI is less dark. Haven’t played Veilguard yet.

 

[tetrasodium]

I don’t follow you. None of the DA games are turn-based. They’re all real-time with pause. Also, DA2 was pretty grim. I mean, Hawke’s mother gets turned into a flesh golem bride by a serial killer, for example. And you can force your surviving sibling to become a Grey Warden.

DAI is less dark. Haven’t played Veilguard yet.

It's been over a decade and I mentioned fuzzy memories. There was some kind of gameplay change that turned me off on top of the whitewashed world already mentioned. The two combined left me dropping the game pretty quickly compared to my usual tenacity with games.