The "I Didn't Comment in Another Thread" Thread

[Snarf Zagyg]

I genuinely want to respond to your thread about running a 4e campaign using Essentials only. I found the Essentials books to be delightful and would love to engage on that topic. However, I see the usual suspects have flooded in and have already fired edition war shots. So, .

Seriously, the amount of edition warring that has been going on in the last four weeks has been insane.

It's almost as if there's been some change.... Weird.



Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about EnWorld's New Meta.

I propose returning it to the prior meta- anyone want to post a What's Up With All That Forge Stuff thread?

(To be clear, I AM KIDDING! I have a very pleasurable root canal scheduled, so I would not be able to partake in that fun.)

 

[CleverNickName]

I genuinely want to respond to your thread about running a 4e campaign using Essentials only. I found the Essentials books to be delightful and would love to engage on that topic. However, I see the usual suspects have flooded in and have already fired edition war shots. So, .

Sadly, this happens every time someone starts a 4th Edition thread. I'd like to blame it on the haters, but honestly the fans are just as bad.

 

[Evaniel]

Seriously, the amount of edition warring that has been going on in the last four weeks has been insane.

It's almost as if there's been some change.... Weird.



Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about EnWorld's New Meta.

I propose returning it to the prior meta- anyone want to post a What's Up With All That Forge Stuff thread?

(To be clear, I AM KIDDING! I have a very pleasurable root canal scheduled, so I would not be able to partake in that fun.)

I don't want to be Conspiracy Guy and/or assume intent, but I can't help but wonder if the current New Meta is an attempt to influence the direction of ONE/NEXT/5.5. By my count, it's less than half-a-dozen posters really going hard.

My pattern-seeking monkey brain can't help but try to get at the "why" of it. I've been lurking for 20 years now, but I've mostly been enjoying it here enough in the last year or so to want to post again. But this month has been bananas.

 

[payn]

Sadly, this happens every time someone starts a 4th Edition thread. I'd like to blame it on the haters, but honestly the fans are just as bad.

Thing is, nobody is actually starting 4E threads, they are just turning out that way. Really, it will always be with us because of the E.war, but its particularly flared during edition churn. (Yes, I know 2024 5E isnt a new edition, but its development cycle is being treated as one).

 

[CleverNickName]

Thing is, nobody is actually starting 4E threads, they are just turning out that way. Really, it will always be with us because of the E.war, but its particularly flared during edition churn. (Yes, I know 2024 5E isnt a new edition, but its development cycle is being treated as one).

I was referring to the newly-created 4E thread out there, but you have a point: more often than not, 4E gets injected into other unrelated threads. I guess some people are still holding on to those tired old grudges for some reason.

 

[Evaniel]

Thing is, nobody is actually starting 4E threads, they are just turning out that way. Really, it will always be with us because of the E.war, but its particularly flared during edition churn. (Yes, I know 2024 5E isnt a new edition, but its development cycle is being treated as one).

That's my sense as well. It's...frustrating?...disappointing?...because I would love to talk about the differences of editions and/or their iterations, their affordances and constraints, etc. without it it devolving into a pissing contest. There are things I like about each, and each tends to facilitate certain dimensions of play well in its own fashion. I've watched several folks try to patiently explain this to the usual offenders, but it more often than not just turns into still more evangelism for the Best Edition (which is obviously [INSERT YOUR EDITION HERE]).

It's just a bummer, is all.

 

[payn]

That's my sense as well. It's...frustrating?...disappointing?...because I would love to talk about the differences of editions and/or their iterations, their affordances and constraints, etc. without it it devolving into a pissing contest. There are things I like about each, and each tends to facilitate certain dimensions of play well in its own fashion. I've watched several folks try to patiently explain this to the usual offenders, but it more often than not just turns into still more evangelism for the Best Edition (which is obviously [INSERT YOUR EDITION HERE]).

It's just a bummer, is all.

It's not an easy process but I find, at this point, to expect it during edition churn even after the last decade. Eventually, with enough exchanges, you get to know folk's opinions and where they lie. More importantly, if they are even worth exchanging with to begin with.

 

[CleverNickName]

That's my sense as well. It's...frustrating?...disappointing?...because I would love to talk about the differences of editions and/or their iterations, their affordances and constraints, etc. without it it devolving into a pissing contest. There are things I like about each, and each tends to facilitate certain dimensions of play well in its own fashion. I've watched several folks try to patiently explain this to the usual offenders, but it more often than not just turns into still more evangelism for the Best Edition (which is obviously [INSERT YOUR EDITION HERE]).

It's just a bummer, is all.

Oh man, tell me about it.

During the early days of the pandemic, I started doing little "nostalgia" surveys of all of the different editions of D&D through the years. I'd take an older edition of D&D, and invite people to comment on their experiences with it, the things they liked and the things they didn't, how the mechanics evolved over time, the way the hobby changed them, etc. And for the most part, it was a good time! People would share their stories of the first time they played D&D, they'd write about old friends and good times.

But one thread got locked in just 48 hours, because of disrespectful people shouting insults at each other.

Guess which one.

Go on, take a wild friggin' guess.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

I don't want to be Conspiracy Guy and/or assume intent, but I can't help but wonder if the current New Meta is an attempt to influence the direction of ONE/NEXT/5.5. By my count, it's less than half-a-dozen posters really going hard.

My pattern-seeking monkey brain can't help but try to get at the "why" of it. I've been lurking for 20 years now, but I've mostly been enjoying it here enough in the last year or so to want to post again. But this month has been bananas.

Well, it might be edition churn. But that's been a topic for some time.

On the other hand, sometimes there's a blast from the past..... And it just takes a single match to light the kindling. Or, um, to keep re-lighting it.

 

[Evaniel]

Oh man, tell me about it.

During the early days of the pandemic, I started doing little "nostalgia" surveys of all of the different editions of D&D through the years. I'd take an older edition of D&D, and invite people to comment on their experiences with it, the things they liked and the things they didn't, how the mechanics evolved over time, the way the hobby changed them, etc. And for the most part, it was a good time! People would share their stories of the first time they played D&D, they'd write about old friends and good times.

But one thread got locked in just 48 hours, because of disrespectful people shouting insults at each other.

Guess which one.

Go on, take a wild friggin' guess.

(Those were great threads.)