D&D General Thoughts on running Rappan Athuk (and deadly megadungeons in general) [SPOILERS]

[Nightfly]

Back to Rappan Athuk. What's your favorite floor/area? As I mentioned before, I read the first area and didn't care for it. I'd love to give Rappan a second chance, but since it's a billion pages, I'd appreciate a tip on an especially good section to check out.

 

[MerricB]

I used Rappan Athuk as part of one of my Greyhawk campaigns - an AD&D campaign, as it happens. The party were sent there to retrieve an artefact, rather than spending the entire campaign in it.

(Rappan Athuk is, IMO, a poor campaign megadungeon because it doesn't have a low-level component. You can't easily let new characters explore the first couple of levels.)

We had characters go down the well alone then untie the rope that led back to the surface... and never get seen again.

Characters got chased and split up... and somehow managed to find each other again and escape.

I think they never found the artifact they wanted. Wandered right past it a couple of times. RA has some great encounters, and stuff I don't like as much, but that's sort of par for the course.

Cheers,
Merric

 

[Reynard]

We have been playing it for a while. I started running it but had to had it off to another group member because my schedule changed, so now I just play when I can. Since we are doing the 5e version and needed a gold sink, we have incorporated Strongholds and Followers and took.over the old castle in the "starter area."

 

[Retreater]

The absurdly huge pdf sells for $60 but occasionally goes on sale for dirt cheap. I've seen it for five bucks.

I got it in a recent PDF bundle from Goodman Games (I think last month on Humble Bundle or something). It was nearly their entire 3.5 output for pennies on the dollar.

 

[MNblockhead]

By the way, I DMed the first published version, under the 3.0 ruleset, and the party managed to get to Orcus, who TPKed them mercilessly. Overall, it was a great experience.

Curious, did the party destroy the three shrines of power? Did they fight the least powerful version of the Avatar?

Also, what level were they? Is is possible to encounter Orcus at levels far too low.

In 5e, at high levels, with the three shrines destroyed, I had to really prep and tweak some things to make it the challenge it should be.

 

[Andvari]

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[MNblockhead]

Back to Rappan Athuk. What's your favorite floor/area? As I mentioned before, I read the first area and didn't care for it. I'd love to give Rappan a second chance, but since it's a billion pages, I'd appreciate a tip on an especially good section to check out.

That's tough. Sometime what reads well is doesn't play as well as you would think and areas that seem boring shine in play. Also, whether you play with theater of the mind or with battlemaps and VTTs will change the experience.

For VTT, the bloodways was an interesting challenge and could be ripped out of RA and used as dungeon encounter in any campaign. It really lends itself for VTT play, but I put A LOT of time into prepping it. I used Foundry, had environmental visual and vision effects to capture the blood mists, I used Multilevel Tiles module to handle both teleportal traps and to move tokens to the right spots when their is movement from one map to another. There are some interesting puzzles and encounters spread throughout it. All in all, I made for a nice multi-session challenge. For ToTM play, they have alternate rules for running it without the maps, other than a few set piece battle/puzzle maps. Would still be fun, I think, but a very different experience.

Area 3-5 "The Lair of Scramge" is an interesting encounter that can punch above its weight in terms of character levels. Would be easy to take and use in other adventures. It takes some time to prep for in that you need to read it and understand how it is to play out. It also is helpful to have a way to give private messages one-on-one to a player. It worked really well using the private chat function of the VTT (Discord, etc. would also work well). Since we were playing remotely, the other players really didn't know what was going on, which would have been harder to pull off in an in-person game. I really liked how that one played out.

4B-22 "The Lair of the Spiker" proved far more dangerous than I would have thought for the level of the party when they encountered it. The enemy has some tricks up its sleeve that are not level inappropriate, but which can catch players off guard.

The whole Cloister of the Frog God and the dungeons below it could easily be taken out of RA and used as a separate area in any campaign that needed a cultist strong hold for low to mid level PCs.

Level 7A: The Hall of Kazleth, the Phase Minotaur King was less of an interesting area. Very maze heavy and developed some separate tools to emulate the maze experience without the grind. But the phase minotaurs are interesting and tough enemies. Certainly worth looking at and using in other settings.

Levels 9B and 9C, the Well of Agememnon was a fun few sessions. Good old-school dungeon exploration, puzzle solving, deadly environmental threats, battle encounters are average, though the bid bad of that level was fun to prep for and can be quite deadly if the players are underleveled or under prepared. There is at least one area where poor rolls on skill checks could lead to a TPK, which might not be something also groups would be happy with.

I also am also fond of the several levels that make up Greznek, the subterranean town of orcus-worshipping goblins. It has special social interaction rules and is one areas where the social pillar can take center stage. It is not somewhere you can go in with guns blazing until at very high levels, and even then, a DM could run it so that it will wreck even a high-level group of PCs' day. It has some fun encounters and NPCs. It also connects to many other areas in RA and became a place the party kept returning to throughout most of the campaign.

I could go on. But these are some that come top of mind that can easily be ported to other settings and campaigns. But, frankly, most of the areas can be ripped out of RA and pasted into other settings. You need a fire-planesque salamander encouter for higher levels, use level 10 (The Lava Pits). You want a mini dungeon with a conan / skull island / jungle book King Louie flavor, tear out the Steam Jungle (level 8B). You want a cultist shrine encounter, tear out any of the three Shrines of Power (Level 4, Level 9, and Level 14). Rappan Athuk can be fun to run as a campaign or just as useful as a resource for some interesting mini-dungeons and encounters.

 

[MNblockhead]

(Rappan Athuk is, IMO, a poor campaign megadungeon because it doesn't have a low-level component. You can't easily let new characters explore the first couple of levels.)

When did you run it? For the 5e re-release that is no longer true. There is a series of low level adventures with the Zelkor's Ferry supplement. The Mouth of Doom can be run with (very careful) low-level characters. Castle Calaelen offers low level adventure and the possibility or creating a stronghold/home base for the party. The party can certainly level up to high tier one and perhaps low tier 2 before setting foot in RA proper.

We started at level 0. Plenty to do at low levels.

 

[MNblockhead]

We have been playing it for a while. I started running it but had to had it off to another group member because my schedule changed, so now I just play when I can. Since we are doing the 5e version and needed a gold sink, we have incorporated Strongholds and Followers and took.over the old castle in the "starter area."

Did the same thing. Castle Calaelen is now Town Calaelen. With the keep greatly built up, a temple, wizards tower, arena, etc. After the Cloister of the Frog God was cleared out the monk in the party turned it into a monastery.

 

[Reynard]

So i have been gearing up to give PF2 a honest try and it turns out between the big humble bundle earlier this year and Black Friday, I got the Abomination Vaults for Fantasy Grounds for $12.