Level Up (A5E) Do Basic Maneuvers require an attack action or are they a their own action?

[Sepulchre]

Not all basic maneuvers require attacks. Grab On is part of a move, and Overrun is an action or bonus action.

Does Grab On still trigger basic maneuver damage?

 

[Morrus]

Does Grab On still trigger basic maneuver damage?

I can't see anything which suggests it doesn't.

 

[Sepulchre]

I can't see anything which suggests it doesn't.

Yeah, I’d think that’s right, but by RAW it technically allows goomba stomping to trigger it repeatedly on the same turn. Not that I think many DM should allow that.

 

[W'rkncacnter]

Does Grab On still trigger basic maneuver damage?

i...don't think it ever did? unless you mean when the creature that's being grabbed successfully dislodges the grabber.

 

[Morrus]

i...don't think it ever did? unless you mean when the creature that's being grabbed successfully dislodges the grabber.

Basic maneuvers do basic maneuver damage. Grab On is a basic maneuver. Why wouldn’t it do basic maneuver damage?

 

[W'rkncacnter]

Basic maneuvers do basic maneuver damage. Grab On is a basic maneuver. Why wouldn’t it do basic maneuver damage?

because basic maneuvers that do basic maneuver damage explicitly state that they do so, and grab on doesn't (again, except in the case of the creature being grabbed successfully dislodging the grabbing creature).

 

[Morrus]

because basic maneuvers that do basic maneuver damage explicitly state that they do so, and grab on doesn't (again, except in the case of the creature being grabbed successfully dislodging the grabbing creature).

The rule is that basic maneuvers do basic maneuver damage.

You’re welcome to do what you want in your own game, of course. But that’s the rule as written. It’s very clear.

 

[W'rkncacnter]

The rule is that basic maneuvers do basic maneuver damage.

You’re welcome to do what you want in your own game, of course. But that’s the rule as written. It’s very clear.

what i don't understand, then, is why grab on is the only basic maneuver to not mention you deal basic melee damage on a success when every other basic maneuver does so despite the general rule. wouldn't it make more sense, at that point, to just remove the general rule of "basic maneuvers do basic melee damage on a success" and just specify in grab on that you do basic melee damage on a success, as opposed to setting a precedent with every other basic maneuver except grab on for apparently no reason?

personally i'll probably not have grab on do basic melee damage just because moving on and off a creature a bunch of times to try and inflict a bunch of damage is just kind of silly.

 

[Morrus]

what i don't understand, then, is why grab on is the only basic maneuver to not mention you deal basic melee damage on a success when every other basic maneuver does so despite the general rule. wouldn't it make more sense, at that point, to just remove the general rule of "basic maneuvers do basic melee damage on a success" and just specify in grab on that you do basic melee damage on a success, as opposed to setting a precedent with every other basic maneuver except grab on for apparently no reason?

personally i'll probably not have grab on do basic melee damage just because moving on and off a creature a bunch of times to try and inflict a bunch of damage is just kind of silly.

I don’t know what you want me to say.

The rule is that basic maneuvers do basic melee damage.

You would prefer one of them didn’t.

Sure. OK. Knock yourself out! It’s your game!

 

[W'rkncacnter]

I don’t know what you want me to say.

The rule is that basic maneuvers do basic melee damage.

You would prefer one of them didn’t.

Sure. OK. Knock yourself out! It’s your game!

i mean, i would, but that's not why i'm confused. if you don't have an answer, though, then ok, i guess.