AI is stealing writers’ words and jobs…

[FrogReaver]

This is a new area, while I think the eventual court ruling will fall the way you suggest above, until the ruling(s) come(s) down, and surprising rulings do happen, we won't know for sure if it really is illegal.

I’d suspect fair use for educational purposes will be maintained.

I suspect that for profit companies seeking to use ‘educational fair-use exception for copyrighted data’ trained models to profit are going to ultimately be in a world of hurt.

While it’s not exactly settled law with AI, alot of the fundamental principles driving copyright cases will most likely still apply.

 

[FrogReaver]

In other words.

"We know we stole everything, so we tried to program the system to mask that fact, and we put the onus on the users via terms of use to not try and get at that copied content."

Fair use is not theft. That’s a HUGE sticking point.

 

[overgeeked]

This is a new area, while I think the eventual court ruling will fall the way you suggest above, until the ruling(s) come(s) down, and surprising rulings do happen, we won't know for sure if it really is illegal.

No. We already know, with case support and settle law, that using copyrighted works without permission is illegal. Full stop. That no one’s been brazen enough to gather large chunks of the internet and copy it without permission, regardless of copyright, does not make this suddenly a whole new mysterious thing. It’s illegal to violate copyright. Doing it 100 millions times doesn’t change it to something else.

 

[FrogReaver]

No. We already know, with case support and settle law, that using copyrighted works without permission is illegal. Full stop.

that’s 100% untrue.

 

[Scribe]

Fair use is not theft. That’s a HUGE sticking point.

Is it fair use to consume something you never paid for?

 

[Scribe]

I'll also say, nobody ever did a bunch of work, to obfuscate their innocence.

Just saying.

 

[FrogReaver]

Here’s a question for the thread.

Suppose their was an AI that you could submit an image to and it could tell you if it was copyrighted or a derivative work of something that was copyrighted.

That would be an amazing service I think artists and everyone could get behind. There could even be an additional service where images on the web could be filtered through this ai to find those infringing on your copyrights.

But what if the only way to have this would be by initially scrapping the internet and obtaining all the copyrighted images.

 

[FrogReaver]

Is it fair use to consume something you never paid for?

in many cases yes.

 

[overgeeked]

“But fair use” is one of the most disingenuous arguments being made in favor of “AI” programmers stealing from people and violating copyright. Fair use does not cover the whole work. Never has. Fair use covers a tiny fraction of the work. You can sample a line from a song or quote a few paragraphs for a review, you cannot take the whole work and copy it without permission. The latter of which is exactly what these mega-corps did. In the neighborhood of millions of times.

Fair use - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[FrogReaver]

“But fair use” is one of the most disingenuous arguments being made in favor of “AI” programmers stealing from people and violating copyright. Fair use does not cover the whole work. Never has. Fair use covers a tiny fraction of the work. You can sample a line from a song or quote a few paragraphs for a review, you cannot take the whole work and copy it without permission. The latter of which is exactly what these mega-corps did. In the neighborhood of millions of times.

Fair use - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From the article you cited it even says that taking most or all of the work doesn’t preclude a ruling of fair use.