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My family lived in the house I grew up in for twenty years. When my parents were moving down to Florida, they did a deep clean of the house. Under the stairs to the basement was a storage cupboard that my mom used to store extras and little-used items; mostly, it had a bunch of spare spice tubs, some liquor, and the occasional box of crackers or something. My dad, in cleaning it out, discovered an unopened jar of prune juice in the very back of the cupboard.

My Dad: "Look at this! It's still sealed! Why didn't we ever use this?!"
My Mom: "Uh... I don't think I've ever bought prune juice..."
Me: "Uh... Is that from the people who previously lived here?..."
My Dad: has already opened the jar and taken a swig "It's fine!"

Narrator: "It was not fine."

My dad was okay, but he ended up staying home sick for a day or two. The rest of the prune juice ended up in the trash.

I have already warned my wife that I will probably turn into this guy someday, and she needs to keep me alive. Somehow.
Clearly, your father wasn't a warrior.
 

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Every time you react that way to that, it tells me that you don't understand it and that you aren't particularly interested in understanding that. I could try--again--to explain it, but ... why?
 

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That scene? Really? You're going to make memes out of that scene?
 


@trappedslider

Per our earlier conversation, I finally got around to writing that post about ranking Civilizations.

I kept my descriptions relatively brief ... mostly so people could argue. ;)

 

@trappedslider

Per our earlier conversation, I finally got around to writing that post about ranking Civilizations.

I kept my descriptions relatively brief ... mostly so people could argue. ;)

Games. Pft! If you had ranked civilizations, I'd be in. Babylon all the way, baby!
 

Games. Pft! If you had ranked civilizations, I'd be in. Babylon all the way, baby!

.... yeah, that would be thread lock fast.

(I do think that there is a dearth of good books about the various powers in Mesopotamia throughout ancient history. If you want to read up on the Romans or the Egyptians, you can't throw a stone in a library without hitting another book. But the Akkadians? Assyrians? Acaharmenids? Good luck with that.)
 

In order to offer something, I thought I'd re-post this recommendation from a while back for reading material-

Carthage Must Be Destroyed, by Richard Miles. I wanted to love this book. I've always been fascinated by Carthage, and, um...

spoiler, I guess....??? Really, who knows any more!

Yeah, Rome kind of kicked their posterior, burned the city to the ground, and salted the earth- so there's not a whole lot of history we have from their side.

Any way, this book supposedly told the story of Carthage from the Carthaginian p.o.v. by combining modern archaeological evidence and combing through the ancient histories (which were distorted) to present a more balanced and comprehensive look.

I guess it did the best job possible? The thing is, I didn't learn a whole lot that was brand new to me. It just made me sad ... because it re-emphasized that so much was lost and will never be fully known.

There was also something about the writing style that didn't quite work for me. The best example is how Miles kept teasing child sacrifice by the Carthaginians, usually in the context of "Oh, the Romans and Greeks always make up slurs against their enemies," and then moved on to something else, and then in what was an aside was like, "Oh yeah, they were totally doing the child sacrifice, even after the Eastern Phoenicians had abandoned it."

It was a very weird stylistic choice.

So if you're really into Carthage (um... that's not a euphemism) you should read it. I don't regret reading it. But I wish it was more. Or, more correctly, I wish that we knew more.

Don't get me wrong- I don't regret reading the book, which is why I said that if you're interested in Carthage (or just like reading about ancient history- and enjoy the slightly more academic "popular works" that assume you know what a stele is or the names of various famous ancient Greeks and Romans without having to spoon-feed it to you), you should definitely pick it up!

My ambivalence with book is born out of an essential sadness. So much of the book concentrates on "Greater Carthage" (the Western Mediterranean) and the actions and words of others. I know that the author is trying to rescue Carthage, but in the end, it's still absent- Carthage is almost all negative space. Rome was, for the most part, successful. As much as we try to reconstruct what Carthage was, it will always be defined by trying to understand it through what the destroyers of Carthage told us.

The Romans, they were thorough.
 

Clearly, your father wasn't a warrior.
I don't know about that.

Another story about my dad. He is the cheapest man I've ever known. When Germany had a particularly good team going into the World Cup, he wanted to watch it but he didn't want to pay for a new antenna and the cheap one we had didn't pick up the UHF channels too well. So he convinced a salesman at the TV shop to let him try out a better antenna for one week -- the one week he needed to watch the World Cup finals. With his friend's help from across the street, he put it on the roof, watched World Cup matches every evening, and then took it down the following Sunday so he wouldn't get charged for it.

He got his friend to help him take it down, then sent him home while he stayed on the roof "to clean out a couple of gutters." When he went to take the ladder down to the deck, it slipped -- it had rained earlier that day, and with a wooden deck and an old, cheap wooden ladder with no rubber feet, it was a predictable accident.

My mom was trimming her tomato plants and heard a loud thump. She looked up, and couldn't see anything from where she was. As she walked up the stairs to the deck, she saw my dad unconscious and bleeding. As she got close, he suddenly came to with a start, sat up straight, and said, "NO DOCTORS!"

Narrator: "But there were, in fact, doctors."

He'd broken both bones in one forearm, and his glasses breaking on the way down had given him a nasty cut above one eye which needed seven stitches to close.

So, he's a warrior.

Just... not a particularly smart one.
 

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