D&D (2024) Greyhawk- New Map, Discussion of Changes

[TwiceBorn2]

Arn(eson). Oh! I didnt catch that. That is awesome! So Blackmoor is there!

The history of Arn in D&D...

 

[Azzy]

I know that's not the Darlene map and nothing will ever be my first true love of fantasy maps.

But GODDAMN that's a pretty map. Mr. Schley absolutely knocked that out of the park.

I completely agree. It's a great map.

 

[Hussar]

I completely agree. It's a great map.

It does trigger my OCD though from bit to bit. You cannot have two rivers exiting a single lake to go to the sea, like we have with Nyr Dyv. You have a river heading past Greyhawk, and then another heading through the Celadon forest. It's so incredibly nit picky and I'm ashamed of myself. It's just one of those things that I notice on maps now when the watersheds aren't quite right.

 

[Parmandur]

It does trigger my OCD though from bit to bit. You cannot have two rivers exiting a single lake to go to the sea, like we have with Nyr Dyv. You have a river heading past Greyhawk, and then another heading through the Celadon forest. It's so incredibly nit picky and I'm ashamed of myself. It's just one of those things that I notice on maps now when the watersheds aren't quite right.

That might be intentional, as the Nyr Dyv is breaking the rules of physics through magic in story, IIRC.

 

[MerricB]

It does trigger my OCD though from bit to bit. You cannot have two rivers exiting a single lake to go to the sea, like we have with Nyr Dyv.

You can.

Lake bifurcation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Hussar]

You can.

Lake bifurcation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sorry, I misspoke. It is extremely rare to have a lake that drains into two of the SAME basins - after all Sea of Gearnat and Wooly Bay are not separate water bodies.

But, sure, it is possible to have lake bifurcation. Granted, they flow into two completely separate bodies of water, but, that's ok.

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

My recollection from, I think the City of Greyhawk boxed set, the Selintan’s connection to Nyr Dyv’s Midbay is artificial. Something like a gnome clan was hired to excavate a barge link through the Cairn Hills so that Greyhawk could prosper as a participant on the great continental river barge system centered on the Nyr Dyv. I may be misremembering, but that’s what recalled.

 

[Hussar]

My recollection from, I think the City of Greyhawk boxed set, the Selintan’s connection to Nyr Dyv’s Midbay is artificial. Something like a gnome clan was hired to excavate a barge link through the Cairn Hills so that Greyhawk could prosper as a participant on the great continental river barge system centered on the Nyr Dyv. I may be misremembering, but that’s what recalled.

That would do it.

Heh. I wonder which came first. The map and then backfilling the explanation, or the explanation first.

 

[JEB]

The Barbarians / Nomads / Rovers given more appropriate names.

Interesting if modern sensitivities were their reason for renaming the "Barbarian" regions, when the updated core rules still contain a "Barbarian" class. Maybe they just prefer naming locations on the map for nations rather than groups of people? (Might also explain the Scarlet Brotherhood rename as well.)

 

[MerricB]

Interesting if modern sensitivities were their reason for renaming the "Barbarian" regions, when the updated core rules still contain a "Barbarian" class. Maybe they just prefer naming locations on the map for nations rather than groups of people? (Might also explain the Scarlet Brotherhood rename as well.)

Quite possibly... but Wizards really has it in for Bandits!

The Bandit Kingdoms have been referred to internally as the "Combination of Free Lords" - LGG25. So on that theory you'd expect it to be renamed as well.

Meanwhile, the orc horde that devastated Phandalin has become... bandits! (Unspecified race, IIRC).

Cheers,
Merric