Spoilers Star Wars: The Acolyte [Spoilers]

[Hussar]

When Disney bought Lucasfilm, they declared the Extended Universe (EU) material to be non-canon, and grouped it all under the Star Wars Legends label.

Certain aspects and elements of the EU have been re-introduced and made canonical over the intervening years, and cortosis looks to be the latest. IIRC, cortosis was introduced in the original Thrawn trilogy, one of the more popular EU sources.

I did read the Thrawn trilogy. What, thirty years ago? Something like that. Couldn’t tell you anything that stuck with me other than the kinda octopus looking thingies with a funny jam starting with “y” that were supposed to block Jedi powers.

Although thinking about it, the comment about the helmet blocking Sol’s attempt to read Dark Helmet’s mind makes some more sense now.

 

[Rabulias]

I did read the Thrawn trilogy. What, thirty years ago? Something like that. Couldn’t tell you anything that stuck with me other than the kinda octopus looking thingies with a funny jam starting with “y” that were supposed to block Jedi powers.

@Zardnaar above pointed out it was the Thrawn duology that introduced cortosis. My mistake saying it was the trilogy.

Although thinking about it, the comment about the helmet blocking Sol’s attempt to read Dark Helmet’s mind makes some more sense now.

I think the helmet also enabled Qimir to withstand the stunner.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Like I said, I'm a big Star Wars fan. I'll overlook a LOT of stuff, but, wowsers, this is some ginormously huge plot holes.

Could you list some plot holes if you're going to complain about them? Because you didn't list any. You just listed stuff you didn't like about the plot, mostly nitpicks or unanswered questions (most of which didn't need to be answered, I would suggest).

That's a completely different thing from a plot hole. Read the actual definition.

A plot hole is where the writers mess up, and it's usually because they forgot something they established earlier. They're actually relatively rare in modern TV/movies, and I admit that instead the term is widely abused to mean just anything, at all, that someone didn't understand or didn't like about the plot, or worse still, when anything isn't explained like we were five years old.

It's cortosis (from legends). It's a metal that temporarily deactivates lightsabre blades when they strike it. Qimir's sabre hilt and helmet appear to be made of it.

Yeah that was something I never expected to see return from Legends, but the way they did it, with it just taking out lightsabers for like 10-15 seconds or was actually pretty cool, and not lame as hell like it was in a lot of the Legends books.

In general I enjoyed this episode a lot because Qimir was extremely cool and well, kind of hot (I mean Manny Jacinto so that's kind of a given but). The weird Daft Punk/Deadmaus-esque helmet + bare arms combo worked really well, look-wise.

His fighting style was fantastic as well and not one we've ever seen before, with huge wild-seeming spin-slashes chaining into rapid flurries of thrusts (way too few Jedi understand that lightsabers are thrusting weapons as well as slashing ones, I swear) and just really fast. And very brutal. Just dropping so many Jedi bodies.

Yeah, the show's spatial reasoning is a bit muddled.

It absolutely isn't. They ended up going in circles several times. It just didn't think it was important to show you exactly where on the map everyone was, because it's a TV show, not a videogame or TTRPG.

 

[Zardnaar]

@Zardnaar above pointed out it was the Thrawn duology that introduced cortosis. My mistake saying it was the trilogy.

I think the helmet also enabled Qimir to withstand the stunner.

Not sure it's the earliest example eg a comic maybe.

But atm it's the earliest example I can think of.

 

[damiller]

I was "surprised" that it was Qimir. By that I mean, that they telegraphed it so hard, I figured it HAD to be fake out.

I think the fights in the episode were brutal. Especially between Jecki and Mae. I think I felt some of those kicks!

And as I have examined this through a YA lens, I've tried to pick out the Love Triangle, but all I am coming up with is a Love Rhombus, and its not romantic. Its a Loyalty Rhombus. A nice twist on the Love Triangle to be sure. Sure their was (sniff) the hot guy, Yord. And the cool girl, (sniffle, I'm crying ,you're not.) Jecki. But I think the real deal is between the masters.

You have the cool master, Sol, and the hot master, Qimir. And then the twins who each have a loyalty to one or the other. And I think that is about to change as they both are "betrayed" by the knowledge the other master gives.

 

[Zardnaar]

I was "surprised" that it was Qimir. By that I mean, that they telegraphed it so hard, I figured it HAD to be fake out.

I think the fights in the episode were brutal. Especially between Jecki and Mae. I think I felt some of those kicks!

And as I have examined this through a YA lens, I've tried to pick out the Love Triangle, but all I am coming up with is a Love Rhombus, and its not romantic. Its a Loyalty Rhombus. A nice twist on the Love Triangle to be sure. Sure their was (sniff) the hot guy, Yord. And the cool girl, (sniffle, I'm crying ,you're not.) Jecki. But I think the real deal is between the masters.

You have the cool master, Sol, and the hot master, Qimir. And then the twins who each have a loyalty to one or the other. And I think that is about to change as they both are "betrayed" by the knowledge the other master gives.

Yup the reveal wasn't that impactful. Almost a really!!!

Better than "I'm the spy though". Jord and Jecki weren't around long enough to care ymmv.

Couple of potential plot holes/stupidity to deal with but have to see it finish before jumping up and down.

Bit yeah some people even maybe we'll intention ones haven't realized that Mund for example goukd be long, didn't know/wasn't told or was plain ol wrong (we knew that in 1999).

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Not sure it's the earliest example eg a comic maybe.

Pretty sure Heir to Empire was the first appearance of cortosis.

 

[Zardnaar]

Pretty sure Heir to Empire was the first appearance of cortosis.

Could be right it's been a long time. Definitely in the Thrawn duology iirc.

Mandela effect incoming.

 

[Zardnaar]

Well I wasn't sure on Thrawn Duology being first appearance of Cortosis.

Cortosis/Legends

I Jedi was the first one, Visions of the Future was the one I remembered.

Didn't like I Jedi barely remember it. Read it once 97/98 maybe.

I'm not salty towards the Empire of the Hand in Thrawns Revenge. Getting whacked by them and Zsinj (as the Empire).

 

[Hussar]

Could you list some plot holes if you're going to complain about them? Because you didn't list any. You just listed stuff you didn't like about the plot, mostly nitpicks or unanswered questions (most of which didn't need to be answered, I would suggest).

That's a completely different thing from a plot hole. Read the actual definition.

A plot hole is where the writers mess up, and it's usually because they forgot something they established earlier. They're actually relatively rare in modern TV/movies, and I admit that instead the term is widely abused to mean just anything, at all, that someone didn't understand or didn't like about the plot, or worse still, when anything isn't explained like we were five years old.
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Ahh, this is where the overly pedantic portion of the discussion comes in.

I listed problems with the episode, but, sure, I'll do it again:

1. They never actually CHECK on the person they came to find. Sol has no idea if the wookiee (did he have a name?) is alive or dead or hurt.
2. Dark Helmet drops out of the sky at the exact place where the tracker, who should be absolutely nowhere near, just happens to be and picks up the droid head.
3. Sol leaves the corpse of his PADAWAN on the ground and just walks away.

But, ok, I'll indulge. These are nitpicks or unanswered questions. Not specifically plot holes. Because apparently glaring inconsistencies aren't plot holes. Fair enough. The point being, while I'm more than willing to give a LOT of latitude to Star Wars shows, this is stretching things way beyond.

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And, frankly, I'm not really sure where the hostility is coming from here. The worst things I've said is that I don't really like the last two episodes - EP 3 was boring and Ep 4 was kinda insultingly stupid. You might want to dial back the hostility just a touch.