D&D (2024) Should 2014 Half Elves and Half Orcs be added to the 2025 SRD?

[Remathilis]

No. Mechanics and lore need to match. If I have to go outside of the race to a feat to actually be the race, there is a disconnect. Your idea would force me to be human in order to be a half-elf. That doesn't fly.

That's what I meant about principle. It's not the end list of abilities, but the means you had to get to them from. I assume you would not be any happier if you had to take a feat to be an aasimar or tiefling or dhampir either.

 

[Maxperson]

Now I understand your problem. Why didn't you say that in your last posts?

I literally said it in post #102.

 

[Maxperson]

That's what I meant about principle. It's not the end list of abilities, but the means you had to get to them from. I assume you would not be any happier if you had to take a feat to be an aasimar or tiefling or dhampir either.

It's not principle. It's lore/mechanic disconnect. If the lore was that a medusa turns you to stone with a gaze, but the written mechanic was that you turn to jell-o, there would be a problem. Lore and mechanics must match.

And yes you are correct that feats would not be enough for aasimar, tiefling or any other race achieved via a feat. You would remain whatever race was chosen before the feat and simply have a few more abilities. You might as well take human, pick the magic initiate feat, and then claim you are the Santa Claus race. Feats don't change what race you are.

 

[Remathilis]

It's not principle. It's lore/mechanic disconnect. If the lore was that a medusa turns you to stone with a gaze, but the written mechanic was that you turn to jell-o, there would be a problem. Lore and mechanics must match.

And yes you are correct that feats would not be enough for aasimar, tiefling or any other race achieved via a feat. You would remain whatever race was chosen before the feat and simply have a few more abilities. You might as well take human, pick the magic initiate feat, and then claim you are the Santa Claus race. Feats don't change what race you are.

Yeah we're saying the same thing and arguing semantics.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I literally said it in post #102.

That was not in a post where you quoted me. So I did not read that.sorry.

 

[Minigiant]

I don't know if anything can please you. If you think that is bad, ok. Your personal opinion. But not a fact.

I posted my version of half elf and half orc approximate to the species mechanical standard and matching the lore.

That would make many happy.

 

[Maxperson]

Yeah we're saying the same thing and arguing semantics.

People say that like semantics aren't important or legitimate. Words matter. Definitions matter. What I am doing is not principle.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I posted my version of half elf and half orc approximate to the species mechanical standard and matching the lore.

That would make many happy.

The half elf is nice. The half orc not so much.

 

[Minigiant]

The half elf is nice. The half orc not so much.

Constructive criticism on the Half Orc?

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Constructive criticism on the Half Orc?

Nope. I don't know how they fit in between 2024 orcs and humans.

I'd call 2024-orcs half-orcs and use older variants of the orc as orcs.