D&D (2024) New stealth rules.

[FrogReaver]

The new PHB, regarding Hiding, says "The Dungeon Master decides when circumstances are appropriate for hiding."

That seems to contradict the hide action that allows for a dc 15 check in specific circumstances to gain the invisible condition that can be ended in specific ways.

 

[OB1]

they are combat actions. Can’t do combat actions outside combat was your position.

Let me clarify. The actions described under the rules of combat are specific to being in initiative, overrulling any general action a player may take outside of combat. Outside of combat, the general order of play rules are used, where the DM describes a scene, the players choose how their characters react, and the DM asks for a check if the result of the action described is uncertain, relying on a dice roll to determine success or failure.

 

[Nijay]

Well I suppose someone can cast detect invisibility or some such.

But once they do. . . then everyone can suddenly see you? No communication or countermeasure needed? Because it says that ends the condition entirely.

Good question, can you only be found via the Search action, even if you can be seen? lol this is not a question I anticipated.

 

[SpellObjectEnthusiast]

The new PHB, regarding Hiding, says "The Dungeon Master decides when circumstances are appropriate for hiding." They kept it loose. I believe they are using the word "invisible" as a synonym for "not visible," rather than "you turn translucent."

Except for the invisibility spell, where they ARE using it to mean "you turn translucent"

 

[mellored]

Well I suppose someone can cast detect invisibility or some such.

But once they do. . . then everyone can suddenly see you? No communication or countermeasure needed? Because it says that ends the condition entirely.

Yes.

I expect that part was intentional. To simplify it so the DM doesn't have to track which person sees who, which is a pain. (Also I think it's a reasonable assumption that an enemy will call you out).

I do not think it was intentional to hide behind a bush and be able to walk around in the open without being seen.

Thus, if you break cover/obscurement, you lose it.

Fixes the issue enough for me anyways, and it's only 1 extra sentence.

 

[DavyGreenwind]

Except for the invisibility spell, where they ARE using it to mean "you turn translucent"

Yes, you are presumably translucent, or have some kind of psychic disruption, or something that makes you supernaturally invisible. "Hide" makes you invisible so far as you are not visible to others behind a wall or in the dark. The spell gives you the condition without requiring darkness or cover.

 

[TiQuinn]

In part because we can’t even seem to agree on the correct interpretation of what they wrote

Probably because something can be written in a way to have multiple interpretations, but it's a futile endeavor when the one thing that everyone can agree on is that they're not written as intended to begin with.

 

[mamba]

Except that hiding in combat requires a minimum DC15 Stealth check to succeed (the specific rule in combat trumps the general rule of how DCs are set outside of combat). That is not a requirement outside of combat.

great, so the only difference is the DC, and in either case I get the Invisibility condition. Now tell me what causes that condition to end according to the rules. It is not me stepping out of cover…

 

[Charlaquin]

I expect that's what the "enemy finds you" line is supposed to be. You walk out in the open and they find you.

They just didn't think "oh wait, they can't because you're invisible".

But the text literally defines how an enemy finds you, and it’s with a perception check result higher than your stealth check.

 

[Nijay]

great, so the only difference is the DC, and in either case I get the Invisibility condition. Now tell me what causes that condition to end according to the rules. It is not me stepping out of cover…

Making noise louder than a whisper, being found by an enemy's Search action, or casting a spell with a verbal component.

Stepping out of cover would make noise louder than a whisper. (This is conjecture.)