D&D General Bob World Builder Recreates WOTC's "Do You Like Me?" Survey!

[KYRON45]

I am not sure why you would expect a thread about what people think and how people feel about WotC to not have posts about the things WotC does. Seems to be on you… can you have those threads, fine by me, but it won’t be this one. You are in one of the threads specifically about this…

That's why i'm asking why such sentiment needs to leak into other threads here. If i brought it up in another thread I would be the one doing the leaking.

 

[DEFCON 1]

Technically I am waiting for the new SRD and if that does not come we go our separate ways, but that is a passive waiting. We still might go our separate ways because I am not particularly impressed with 2024.


I am going on with my life, you give WotC way too much credit here. That doesn’t mean I cannot have an opinion on both their products and their actions and express it

Absolutely. You referencing yourself is understood, and quite possibly your part in this doesn't apply to my previous comments.

But I've seen more than enough times over the years various people in all manner of threads saying something along the lines of "If WotC doesn't do X, I'm not giving them my money again!" Basically trying to "threaten" them with the withholding of their money. Which is like... oh come on. Because 1) WotC aren't going to listen to (general) you or do anything to placate you personally, so your "threats" hold no weight and they do not need nor care about (general) your specific money... and 2) By stating (general) you're waiting for WotC to "fix" things, you're basically admitting that what you really want is just to be able to buy their stuff again, but are waiting for a pat on the head first. And I just can't take that kind of thing seriously.

 

[mamba]

That's why i'm asking why such sentiment needs to leak into other threads here. If i brought it up in another thread I would be the one doing the leaking.

human nature I guess, we talk about the things we think about / are important to us, and every thread will have some tangents. I see people jumping to WotC’s defense every time too, guess we both have to live with it

You won’t see me bringing the OGL up much, if I do it already was brought up before by someone else and I feel I have to set the record straight.

 

[DEFCON 1]

Hey, I already cut them off.

But I personally don't see the point of trying to square up on those people and belittle them with 50,000 tons of scare quotes so...

That's why I don't tend to start my initial posts with a Reply to someone else. I just say my piece on its own just to put my comments out there because I feel like it.

People are then free to ignore me and my post if they want to... but invariably someone else does feel the need to Reply back to me. Which means they wish to engage. So at that point they are accepting of whatever further comment I have back.

 

[KYRON45]

human nature I guess, we talk about the things we think about / are important to us, and every thread will have some tangents. I see people jumping to WotC’s defense every time too, guess we both have to live with it

You won’t see me bringing the OGL up much, if I do it already was brought up before by someone else and I feel I have to set the record straight.

It just seems like everyone wants Wotc to treat the community better but the community itself could be better.

 

[mamba]

But I've seen more than enough times over the years various people in all manner of threads saying something along the lines of "If WotC doesn't do X, I'm not giving them my money again!" Basically trying to "threaten" them with the withholding of their money.

nothing wrong with that, you just should not expect WotC to notice / care

Which is like... oh come on. Because 1) WotC aren't going to listen to (general) you or do anything to placate you personally, so your "threats" hold no weight and they do not need nor care about (general) your specific money...

agreed, doesn’t mean people cannot have their standards

and 2) By stating (general) you're waiting for WotC to "fix" things, you're basically admitting that what you really want is just to be able to buy their stuff again, but are waiting for a pat on the head first. And I just can't take that kind of thing seriously.

possibly, I assume most of that boils down to nostalgia and habit more than anything. D&D was important to them for a long time, so dropping it over WotC’s actions (because they ‘have’ to rather than because they want to / no longer care) is hard.

There are entire YT channels just dumping on / complaining about WotC, having a few posts here is nothing

 

[mamba]

It just seems like everyone wants Wotc to treat the community better but the community itself could be better.

and what makes the community better? Just always praising WotC does not, at least in my book.

Some people like what they do, others not so much, the community is too large to be unified, nothing you can do about it, including complaining about the fact here

 

[Minigiant]

As a person who works a corporate job and a member of the D&D community, I often find myself shrugging and uttering a soft "meh" out my face.

WOTC is a part of a billion dollar corporation, treats it's community like a billion dollar corporation, and screws up like a billion dollar corporation.

And if Wizards collapses and another company takes over the mantle and becomes a billion-dollar corporation they're going to do the exact same thing.

The community as a whole doesn't get that but eventually it will.

 

[MichaelSomething]

Absolutely. You referencing yourself is understood, and quite possibly your part in this doesn't apply to my previous comments.

But I've seen more than enough times over the years various people in all manner of threads saying something along the lines of "If WotC doesn't do X, I'm not giving them my money again!" Basically trying to "threaten" them with the withholding of their money. Which is like... oh come on. Because 1) WotC aren't going to listen to (general) you or do anything to placate you personally, so your "threats" hold no weight and they do not need nor care about (general) your specific money... and 2) By stating (general) you're waiting for WotC to "fix" things, you're basically admitting that what you really want is just to be able to buy their stuff again, but are waiting for a pat on the head first. And I just can't take that kind of thing seriously.

I'm trying to raise an anti-WOTC army but I never get any sign ups!

 

[CleverNickName]

Every single thread comes down to all of the terrible things Wotc seems to do. Can't we just have a thread about that instead of sucking the life out of all of the other topics with Anti-Wotc conversations?

That's why i'm asking why such sentiment needs to leak into other threads here. If i brought it up in another thread I would be the one doing the leaking.

Oh, you know how some people are. My sister's ex-husband can't stop bringing up stuff from 1998. She didn't listen to him back then, and she's not listening now, but that doesn't stop him. Any time the subject of marriage comes up on social media, he's right there venting his spleen in the comments. I guess this is his way of working through it.

Some people won't support D&D/Wizards of the Coast for the same reason that the Portland hipsters won't support Starbucks: "they were so much better before they got popular and mainstream." So anything that Wizards of the Coast does that validates that claim gets put on blast, and anything that refutes it gets put on ignore.

Some people will support D&D/Wizards of the Coast for the same reason that the Portland hipsters support Apple: "they're the best because they're the biggest because they're the best." So anything that Wizards of the Coast does that validates that claim gets put on blast, and anything that refutes it gets put on ignore.

But the other 98% of their customers are somewhere in the middle, and they tend to ignore the smaller, louder ends of the spectrum. That must be incredibly frustrating for the other 2%, just as it's incredibly frustrating for my ex-brother-in-law.