D&D General Dmg previews up

[MonsterEnvy]

Why would overviews about monsters not be in the book about monsters?

Seriously, why?

To be exact what I mean about overviews. In the 2014 MM devils as a whole are talked about before the individual ones. In the 2025 MM devils as a whole are not likely to be talked about and instead each individual devils like the Barbed Devil and Pit Fiend will get their own page in the book. The devils as a whole section seems to be moving into the DMG lore glossary.

 

[DarkCrisis]

For me it was the 2e lore. Every time I read a juicy bit of 2e lore, 20 ideas spring into my head and I promptly forget 21 of them. Whenever I'm stuck for an idea, I just pick up some 2e book and read a few passages of lore and I'm off to the races.

Yeah the FRealms Greybox is great for this.

 

[Zaukrie]

wow. even just reading this hurts my soul. i can't imagine trying to actually FIND anything in a book like that.

but dnd isn't (or at least shouldn't try to be) competing with movies, is it? it's competing with other ttrpgs, and lots of other ttrpgs can get you that same value. it makes more sense to me to compare the value of a ttrpg to that of other ttrpgs, not to movies or video games or any other medium.

No, it's competing with other forms of entertainment. It's about time, and how you spend it.

 

[dave2008]

but dnd isn't (or at least shouldn't try to be) competing with movies, is it? it's competing with other ttrpgs, and lots of other ttrpgs can get you that same value. it makes more sense to me to compare the value of a ttrpg to that of other ttrpgs, not to movies or video games or any other medium.

Everything is competing for the same limited resource: money. Whether or not D&D should compete with movies, or books, or anything else is irrelevant. The fact is that it does compete with them.

 

[W'rkncacnter]

No, it's competing with other forms of entertainment. It's about time, and how you spend it.

Everything is competing for the same limited resource: money. Whether or not D&D should compete with movies, or books, or anything else is irrelevant. The fact is that it does compete with them.

i mean, if you want to look at it that way, then you start needing to factor in how much time you need to invest in something to properly get the intended entertainment value out of it - which, even if you include prep time on the dm's part as part of the intended entertainment value (which some people definitely would), is still INFINITELY higher then almost any other medium just by virtue of having to schedule sessions with other people. having to just wait for the session time to come around. i can boot up a movie or video game whenever i want and just GO.

in short, they're very different mediums. i don't think they're easily comparable, and i think time per dollar is a very reductivist and not very useful metric to look at if it's the only thing you're looking at.

...unless you mean like. movies in theaters. then, yeah, fair enough.

 

[Parmandur]

I understand their logic, but also am not the biggest fan of it. My biggest objection to it was that it would result in the loss of the overviews, but if the overviews are being moved to the DMG, then it’s only a slight annoyance as I am not losing anything.

I haven't minded it in the past few Monster books, and I reckon they have been actively collecting feedback on how people reacted to straight alphabetization.

 

[THEMNGMNT]

Uhh.... This kinda reads like a "tell me you started with 5e without saying it". Not only is that not true, some editions had given it enough thought that there was literally a special section in the index just to make them easier to find.

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I believe the 3.zero dmg had some too but not sure I've ever physically touched or seen one of those

Without even needing to go hunting for crumbs the ad&d2.0 dmg has at least one because I knew & remembered it as a fact due to how it provided the GM significant support when most needed.

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I started with 1E.

Good counter-example with 3E.

Who knows, maybe I'll be wrong about the 2024 DMG.

 

[mamba]

That just makes it less likely experienced players are going to give WotC money for it. All those things are of less value to them in general. Is that what WotC wants?

apparently WotC is happy with the direction of the new DMG, otherwise they would have created a different one. As to who is buying it and why, art and layout seem to be a large part of what people consider an improvement in the PHB

 

[mamba]

because the post I replied to asked who would watch the video. Evidently 48K would

no, it was not asking that at all, read the post…

 

[Micah Sweet]

apparently WotC is happy with the direction of the new DMG, otherwise they would have created a different one. As to who is buying it and why, art and layout seem to be a large part of what people consider an improvement in the PHB

Too bad. I considered the DMG a must-have since I started playing in 1985.