Pineapple Express: Someone Is Wrong on the Internet?

[Umbran]

Or not engaging in the hobby at all....

Hold that thought.

I know that Pizza company is trying out this Pizza thing, and if they sell enough of their pineapple pizzas they'll expand into more, perhaps non-pineapple based ones. Should I suck it up and buy the pineapple pizza in the hopes my dollars get counted when they decide whether or not making more pizza brings in enough shareholder value?

This sounds logical... until you remember that there are over 70,000 pizza restaurants in the US. Maybe your earlier favorite has turned to pineapple, and that's disheartening, but that doesn't stop you from having pizza.

If none of your friends want to go to another pizza place, that's a people-problem, not a pizza-problem.

 

[TiQuinn]

Do folks not know you can order half-Pineapple, half-other stuff? Or is just very meta and it's not pizza?

 

[Umbran]

I think it very much is about the pineapple, and the marketing forgot its about the pizza or should be, if they want to make a sale.

Because eating pizza makes us all the experts on selling pizza!

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

I was wondering if there needs to be an "internet adage" (similar to Betteridge's law of headlines, Godwin's law, Cunningham's law, Poe's law, Skitt's law, Danth's law, etc.) for the following:

Whenever a thread is started based on a youtube video, the real issue isn't the one in the OP, but youtube monetization.

The Red Arrow Assize?


Throwing that out there.

ps- two prior enworld adages!
1. Ancalagon's Apothegm: If you ever write something about how awesome people are, they will immediately prove you wrong.

2. Gorice's Gospel: All conversations about TTRPG theory on enworld inevitably become arguments about the Forge.

 

[Warpiglet-7]

I think that one of the problems with Gygax is that his advice for other people was not the same as what he used for his own campaigns.

The stories of Gygax's home campaigns can indicate that characters died, of course, but they were a lot more fun and free-wheeling and less rules-bound (and certainly NOT antagonistic) than what people took from his writings.

Then again, he wrote so much, and so much that contradicted itself. I have a suspicion that people found meaning in the parts that they needed to support what they were already predisposed to do, while ignoring the other bits.

In my estimation, some people are just jerks. And whether they are a player or a DM, that doesn't disappear.

I am ready to be mocked for this….

But I see his body of work as not dissimilar from the work of philosopher, theologians and even some revealed religions in this:

His thought and audience was evolving over time. As such, there are some great pearls of wisdom and some ideas that were evolving while written. Further still, how this translated into his “real life game” was not always in perfect alignment with his writing and evolving ideas.

I think he was imperfectly brilliant in many instances and strongly suspect I would have downed some beers happily at his gaming table.

You never know the truth of things but from
Someone who claimed to have gamed with him I heard about some “very generous” treasure hauls and magic weapons…not usually the hallmark of a tryrant. Unless they are cursed…but then it’s probably your fault…or something.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

I am ready to be mocked for this….

But I see his body of work as not dissimilar from the work of philosopher, theologians and even some revealed religions in this:

His thought and audience was evolving over time. As such, there are some great pearls of wisdom and some ideas that were evolving while written. Further still, how this translated into his “real life game” was not always in perfect alignment with his writing and evolving ideas.

I think he was imperfectly brilliant in many instances and strongly suspect I would have downed some beers happily at his gaming table.

You never know the truth of things but from
Someone who claimed to have gamed with him I heard about some “very generous” treasure hauls and magic weapons…not usually the hallmark of a tryrant. Unless they are cursed…but then it’s probably your fault…or something.

eta- the same gygax who posited the ethereal mummy also gave us the ogre guntlet/giant girdle/ hammer of thunderbolts combo.

 

[Bedrockgames]

The stories of Gygax's home campaigns can indicate that characters died, of course, but they were a lot more fun and free-wheeling and less rules-bound (and certainly NOT antagonistic) than what people took from his writings.

Then again, he wrote so much, and so much that contradicted itself. I have a suspicion that people found meaning in the parts that they needed to support what they were already predisposed to do, while ignoring the other bits.

I have have to answer a lot of questions from people about rules in my games, and I think something that happens is when you are answering a specific question in a particular moment of time, you plant the seed for contradicting yourself later because. My impression of a lot of what he wrote is he seems to be addressing questions and criticisms that were floating around in the gaming zeitgeist. The other thing that happens is by answering a question you are almost creating a new unofficial rule (even if that isn't your intent). As an example if I have a very open approach to chases in the system and someone asks for clarity, my clarity might be misread as 'this is how chases work every time they come up in play'. But I consider most things very situationally dependent. I don't know many GMs who engage the same system of rules in the same exact way, over the course of years or decades. And I think designers are often the same. With each campaign I run I am often focusing on a different problem, question or idea, and I may have a slightly different spin on the system depending on what I am trying to get out of the campaign I am running. And when you are answering other peoples questions or writing general advice, the context is different than your table. So it has never really surprised me that Gygax seems to be all over the map at times (he is just one of the few designers whose thoughts we chart under a microscope because of his importance in the hobby).

 

[Meech17]

Hold that thought.



This sounds logical... until you remember that there are over 70,000 pizza restaurants in the US. Maybe your earlier favorite has turned to pineapple, and that's disheartening, but that doesn't stop you from having pizza.

If none of your friends want to go to another pizza place, that's a people-problem, not a pizza-problem.

That's true of course.. I often find myself in the camp of just sucking it up and eating the Pineapple Pizza because it's easier. Then again, I also like Pineapple Pizza.. So I don't usually mind.. It would just be cool to try out a veggie pizza, or maybe just even classic Pepperoni and Cheese from time to time

 

[Warpiglet-7]

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eta- the same gygax who posited the ethereal mummy also gave us the ogre guntlet/giant girdle/ hammer of thunderbolts combo.

I don’t think he was mean to well meaning players based on anything I have heard…

I think he let some of them find “consequences” but then it happens.

DMing my kids 6 months ago they decided to negotiate with a burger on the bridge which was good since some were dozing under it! They would have had to drop some 20s/run like hell had they been too cocky!

I no will learn em even if I hope they have fun and win! Send that familiar our and scout a little or something!

I have of course read about him letting cocky careless people have it…so some of it is perspective. I am ok with that

 

[Scribe]

Because eating pizza makes us all the experts on selling pizza!

Not at all, but if all I hear about is how fresh the pineapple is, pizza fans shouldn't expect those who dont care for the finer details of pineapple to care about that pizza.