D&D (2024) I have the DMG. AMA!

[Micah Sweet]

I used to really like Chef Boyardee Beefaroni. But I think they changed the recipe or my tastes changed or something and I don't care for it much anymore.

My daughter loves Chef Boyardee Beefaroni. Thinks it's very, very tasty. She has no interest in finding and consuming "classic" cans of Chef Boyardee Beefaroni because she likes what she's got. When I casually mentioned that I thought the old recipe tasted better, she replied with "Yeah, ok, but I like this one."

She's not interested in them trying to recreate the old formula. She's got what she likes.

I buy it for her and not for me. I'm happy that she's getting what she likes.

I don't eat it anymore. I've moved to Spaghetti O's with Meatballs.

I agree with your sentiment, but to be fair, as far as I can tell she never actually tried the old recipe and thus cannot compare the two.

 

[Doc_Klueless]

She and her friends are exactly the same way with D&D. They've got what they like. They're liking 2024 even more!

When I got them to play some of my older editions of D&D (notably 1e), they were tolerant of the Old Guy showing off one of his favorite childhood games. ... And then they went back to 5e.

They don't want my old, dusty game. They want to play the game of their childhood (namely D&D 5e and Savage Worlds). And as they're the ones securing the future of D&D by playing it, I say... good on them!

 

[FitzTheRuke]

So you don't see any problem with removing things like the minimum safeguards baked into RAW of resting & recovery & other areas of RAW setup to force what comes off as nerf by fiat if ever challenged or made to matter?

What? You've lost me.

They could switch those from statements like "minimum of 1 hour" to "a good period of calm to recover" while assuming that that the GM adjudicating those things has "manners"?

What? You've lost me.

Nothing would change since it's a fundamental part of the game since the players and DM work together as mentioned OVER AND OVER in this book right?

I can tell you that I'm not going to have a problem at my table with whatever you're going on about.

 

[Hatmatter]

That’s how nostalgia of any type works, and why it is such a negative emotion. It’s a longing for an imaginary golden age that never existed.

Have you seen the trailer for A Complete Unknown, which comes out on Christmas? There is a line in it where a character is asking Bob Dylan about why he is so evasive about his past, and he says, "People make up their past, Sylvie, they remember what they want; they forget the rest." I heard that and thought, "Yup."

 

[Micah Sweet]

Have you seen the trailer for A Complete Unknown, which comes out on Christmas? There is a line in it where a character is asking Bob Dylan about why he is so evasive about his past, and he says, "People make up their past, Sylvie, they remember what they want; they forget the rest." I heard that and thought, "Yup."

People absolutely do do that, yes. It doesn't mean there isn't a history though.

 

[Imaro]

So you don't see any problem with removing things like the minimum safeguards baked into RAW of resting & recovery & other areas of RAW setup to force what comes off as nerf by fiat if ever challenged or made to matter? They could switch those from statements like "minimum of 1 hour" to "a good period of calm to recover" while assuming that that the GM adjudicating those things has "manners"?

Nothing would change since it's a fundamental part of the game since the players and DM work together as mentioned OVER AND OVER in this book right?

Wait this is an example of what you mean...seriously??

 

[TiQuinn]

Sure, and they failed to expand the hobby because they were not publicly traded. D&D remained a tiny, extremely elitist, hobby. Which is why, I suspect, there are people who want those days back. “These PLCs, they let any old riffraff play!”

That’s a pretty ahistorical take on how D&D progressed during the 70s and 80s.

Do you think it’s elitist that people play Call of Cthulhu? Is Chaosium being elitist or a failure for not having gone public? How about companies that fund products via BackerKit or Kickstarter?

 

[Doc_Klueless]

I agree with your sentiment, but to be fair, as far as I can tell she never actually tried the old recipe and thus cannot compare the two.

She doesn't need to. She's got what she likes. Her friends have what they like. They've tried D&D 1e (and also 2e, but not much). It's... interesting to them. But not compelling. They'd rather tell their kinds of stories with their kind of game.

It's only old people like us who proclaim that the old stuff was better. They don't care beyond being polite to the crazy, old guy with his wild stories about adventuring uphill... in the snow... both ways.

The best way to get a younger person to resist something is to tell them how much the old way rocked and the new way sucks.

I've come to grips with that. If I want to recapture that Old School Feel, I just play an old game. Because they never went away. They're just hibernating.

 

[darjr]

DMG is in the app now, reportedly. I’m trying it now.

But not the website yet.

 

[abirdcall]

I don't know why people seem to think that WotC needs to enforce (or is even capable of enforcing) manners at the table. And heck, there's a whole section on "Mutual Respect" and "Respect the DM".

I'm pretty sure that we wouldn't like what we'd get if the game were forced to mechanically support every possible instance of making sure that players don't act like jerks.

Heroic Inspiration is even an actual mechanic for it too.