D&D (2024) Kobold Press posts 2024 DMG Hit Piece

[mamba]

Disagree. Starter set are a wonderful, low cost way to introduce new players and DMs to the game. It's the books after that that are optional.

if you put half the DMG in, the low cost part will no longer be true

 

[Micah Sweet]

if you put half the DMG in, the low cost part will no longer be true

The Red Box and Phandelver were pretty cheap. Loss leader is a thing.

 

[mamba]

The Red Box and Phandelver were pretty cheap. Loss leader is a thing.

they are not loss leaders, they do make less on a profit on it, not a loss. In any case, the price would go up as there is more content, that is hard to avoid

 

[Micah Sweet]

they are not loss leaders, they do make less on a profit on it, not a loss. In any case, the price would go up as there is more content, that is hard to avoid

Still worth it in my view.

 

[mamba]

Still worth it in my view.

why though? I don’t have you pegged as someone who would buy the 2024 DMG either way, if anything it being closer to the 2014 one should be a detriment for you purchasing it

 

[Micah Sweet]

why though? I don’t have you tagged as someone who would buy the 2024 DMG either way, if anything it being closer to the 2014 one should be a detriment for you purchasing it

I'm trying to think of others. I had a great experience with starter sets in days of yore, and I'd lije to see others having the same.

 

[gban007]

So your assertion is that the core rulebooks are optional?

I liked the way Fre League did it with Alien starter set - inasmuch as if you wanted to keep playing their cinematic scenarios being released, you could just use the starter set rules and core book not required. The core book would give more options, and allow for more free form campaigning, but if sticking to published adventures as such, not needed.
Of course one thing that aids that approach is that the cinematic adventures have preset characters, so don't need character creation rules.
So I can see argument that a starter set can put you well on way for a while before needing core books, and that some of the core books become less necessary (the DMG in particular feels quite optional if running published adventures, outside of magic item issue).

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Look, some of us cut our teeth on Twitter, where D&D is crap and people who play D&D are stupid sheeple and if you don't play Pathfinder instead you're an ignorant phillistine; this barely registers on the Richter scale of "D&D is bad, play this instead" arguments.

Is this what is called whataboutism?

A bad article from a company stays a bad article from a company.

Twitter people have nothing to do with that.

 

[mamba]

I'm trying to think of others. I had a great experience with starter sets in days of yore, and I'd lije to see others having the same.

I don’t think you can make the argument that people do not have a good time with the 5e starter sets though

 

[SteveC]

I don’t think you can make the argument that people do not have a good time with the 5e starter sets though

I think a good starter set is critical for a game that's trying to reach a large audience. I know I've run the Beginner's Box for PF2 six times at this point. I've played two scenarios with them for 5E. They are a great way to introduce new players to the hobby.