D&D (2024) D&D Monster Manual (2025)

[mamba]

I feel the publishing environment for 5e would be stronger if 3pp had the clear option to remain with 5e or move to 6e, rather than the pressure to make whatever changes WotC institutes in the official game in their own products. I've seen 3pp chasing that dragon to what is IMO their creative detriment, since theircre-releasing existingbproduct with changes to appease WotC supporters rather than making new product.

I don’t think it would change anything. If anything releasing updated products for a 6e is even more important than to do so when 2014 and 2024 are largely compatible.

As it is now, you probably can use the products for your 5e game, with a 6e you maybe cannot (I assume 6e would be less compatible and not just a different name for the 2024 rules, at a minimum perception would be that they are not) without increasing the number of products specifically released for 5e 2014

 

[dave2008]

It's because of the deep lore that the Athasian sun has been damaged over time by powerful Athasian sorcery, changing from blue to yellow to its current red giant state. Having the final end state of the Athas system be a collapse of the red giant into a black hole (probably by another magical catastrophe) is a pretty appropriate end-game for the setting.

Thanks - I wasn't aware about the DS sun star changes - that does make a lot of sense now!

 

[dave2008]

Like I've said, I feel the publishing environment for 5e would be stronger if 3pp had the clear option to remain with 5e or move to 6e, rather than the pressure to make whatever changes WotC institutes in the official game in their own products. I've seen 3pp chasing that dragon to what is IMO their creative detriment, since theircre-releasing existingbproduct with changes to appease WotC supporters rather than making new product.

I will admit I fail to see how making products (the same products?) for two editions is easier for 3PP than making it for one edition and none of your explanations have clarified it for me.

 

[Parmandur]

The midlands isn't the North.
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And his social class made him not part of the industrial midlands. A Birmingham accent he did not have. And by Anglo-Saxon and Norman he meant the south east. Where Oxford is.

Some mention should also be made of Cornwall, which is Celtic, with close cultural ties to Brittany. These days commonly associated with pixies.

...Tolkien spent his whole childhood in Birmingham...? He called 1066 the greatest cultural disaster in Engliah history, because of the Norman influence on culture.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

...Tolkien spent his whole childhood in Birmingham...?

He spent part of his childhood in a rural village in the Midlands. Birmingham later grew around it, but Tolkien was long gone by then. If you listen to recordings, he does not have the slightest trace of a midlands accent (there is a little hint of South African in there though, presumably from family). If you want a midlands accent, check out Lenny Henry, who was in Rings of Power.

He called 1066 the greatest cultural disaster in Engliah history, because of the Norman influence on culture.

Indeed. He didn't like the Normans, but he was pretty oblivious to the parts of England where the Norman influence was lesser, because the Saxons hadn't got that far.

 

[Parmandur]

He spent part of his childhood in a rural village in the Midlands. Birmingham later grew around it, but Tolkien was long gone by then. If you listen to recordings, he does not have the slightest trace of a midlands accent (there is a little hint of South African in there though, presumably from family). If you want a midlands accent, check out Lenny Henry, who was in Rings of Power.

Tolkien was born in South Africa, but his father Arthur and family were from Staffordshire, which h is why his mother returned there after her husband died after going abroad.

I can't speak to hia acceent as the subtlties are loat on me, though I find that Tolkien has much less of an accent than most British people.

Indeed. He didn't like the Normans, but he was pretty oblivious to the parts of England where the Norman influence was lesser, because the Saxons hadn't got that far.

Welsh stuff is pretty big in his work, though.

 

[Dire Bare]

I will admit I fail to see how making products (the same products?) for two editions is easier for 3PP than making it for one edition and none of your explanations have clarified it for me.

Some companies create products with different versions for different game systems. It's not uncommon for RPG books to have a "5E" version and an "OSR" version. Free League offers a 5E version of each title in the "One Ring" product line. I've seen "D&D" and "not-D&D" versions of other games in the past also . . .

But yeah, expecting a companies to publish "5E" and a "6E" versions as the norm . . . other than the OSR stuff, that hasn't really happened on any sort of scale ever. Nor would it currently.

 

[Dire Bare]

. . . though I find that Tolkien has much less of an accent than most British people.

Everybody has an accent! How noticeable accents are is pretty subjective to the listener and their own linguistic background.

Sorry for the pedantic hijack . . .

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Tolkien was born in South Africa, but his father Arthur and family were from Staffordshire, which h is why his mother returned there after her husband died after going abroad

Accents are funny. When my dad was pubic speaking he did so in a Scottish accent, even though he had never lived there. His dad was born in Scotland, but lived in England most of his life.

I can't speak to hia acceent as the subtlties are loat on me, though I find that Tolkien has much less of an accent than most British people

Everyone has an accent. Tolkien’s was Public School/BBC, which I expect is the kind of English accent you are most familiar with. I sound very different.

 

[dave2008]

Some companies create products with different versions for different game systems. It's not uncommon for RPG books to have a "5E" version and an "OSR" version. Free League offers a 5E version of each title in the "One Ring" product line. I've seen "D&D" and "not-D&D" versions of other games in the past also . . .

I know this, that wasn't the thing that doesn't make sense to me. The question is how is it easier for the 3PP to make multiple versions of something versus one version of something?

@Micah Sweet seems to think a 3PP has to create 2 versions of a product to support 2014 and 2024 5e. And it would be easier for a 3PP to support either 5e or 6e (an completely lose one fanbase). I don't see how either of those options is better than making one 5e product that works for both 2014 & 2024 5e. If you simply call your product 5e compatible - that covers 2014 and 2024, done. Simple and easy and you get the entire 5e fanbase. I can't see how splitting DnD into 5e and 6e helps the 3PP in any way.