OSR Does "Old School" in OSR only apply to D&D?

[E-life Lauburu]

OSR for old school revival. Not just D&D. For me, star wars d6 is ok. I think OSR, I think simplicity. And yet Rolemaster and Merp are old school and not simple!

 

[Reynard]

OSR for old school revival. Not just D&D. For me, star wars d6 is ok. I think OSR, I think simplicity. And yet Rolemaster and Merp are old school and not simple!

I don't think AD&D counts as simple, and OSRIC is(as far as I recall) the first OSR "game."

 

[Thomas Shey]

I don't think AD&D counts as simple, and OSRIC is(as far as I recall) the first OSR "game."

Of course I've seen people in the OSR to consider AD&D derivatives dubious for OSR for just that reason.

 

[Reynard]

Of course I've seen people in the OSR to consider AD&D derivatives dubious for OSR for just that reason.

I think it is evident that there are factions within the OSR community, who consider this or that element more important than others. Unfortunately, it does come off as gatekeeping in many cases.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

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[Mannahnin]

Of course I've seen people in the OSR to consider AD&D derivatives dubious for OSR for just that reason.

Which seems bass-ackwards to me, given the foundational importance of OSRIC and AD&D 1E to the OSR.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Which seems bass-ackwards to me, given the foundational importance of OSRIC and AD&D 1E to the OSR.

Its normally from the people who lean really heavily into the "rulings not rules" part of that mindset; to their view, the simpler the better because it builds less expectations. In the most extreme cases they don't like anything beyond original three-book OD&D.

 

[Mannahnin]

Its normally from the people who lean really heavily into the "rulings not rules" part of that mindset; to their view, the simpler the better because it builds less expectations. In the most extreme cases they don't like anything beyond original three-book OD&D.

Which I understand, but it still seems plum-ignorant of the history.

Places like Home | Original D&D Discussion and Home | Knights And Knaves Alehouse also centered OD&D in their discussions, but no one in the OSR of the 2000s or 2010s would have denied that AD&D was also at the core of the OSR.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Which I understand, but it still seems plum-ignorant of the history.

Are you under the impression these people care about the history?

 

[Mannahnin]

Are you under the impression these people care about the history?

Perhaps not. Although not caring about history while being into the Old School Renaissance once again seems bass-ackwards.