General star wars talk/discussion/complaining

[Deset Gled]

It's 1994. George Lucas calls saying he's going to direct a new SW movie and he needs YOU to write it.

What direction would you have gone?

In 1994, I'm pretty sure I would have just locked Bill Slavicsec, James Cameron, Caroline Thompson, and Phil Tippet in a room for a week or so and see what happened.

Now that I think about it, that might just be a lot of fun in general.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

"Star Wars isn't the franchise where father figures show up to save the day... Star Wars is the franchise where father figures f*** up and disappoint you."

Isn't that every franchise for the last 40 years? Wait, did Gen X do this?

 

[MGibster]

Why bother getting Kylo into the hero side if they were going to kill him anyway? Just so he could kiss Rey before vanishing? He was more interesting as the main threat or if he had survived. And why reduce Finn to a sad puppy who can't confess to Rey? Why didn't we get FinnxPoe?

I thought Kylo was a pretty interesting villain in the first movie but I didn't like where they took him in the second. The same with Poe, Finn, and most of the other characters. I really liked Poe in the first movie, but I hated him in the second.

The best thing about the sequel trilogy is it helped me appreciate the prequel trilogy more.

 

[Bedrockgames]

I thought Kylo was a pretty interesting villain in the first movie but I didn't like where they took him in the second. The same with Poe, Finn, and most of the other characters. I really liked Poe in the first movie, but I hated him in the second.

I agree with at Kylo seemed much more intriguing in the first film. His was also shaping into a terrifying villain, but then he turned into a goofy character. Finn probably got treated the worst across all three movies because they kept teasing love stories with Poe, Rey and Rose. He and Rose actually had good chemistry I thought. Just when it seemed it would be him and rose they just junked that story line in the third movie. Also he started out as one of the most compelling characters and became one of the dullest. The other part of it was it felt like they pitted the two directors against each and and that didn’t serve the trilogy well

 

[Clint_L]

Andor is the best SW show since the original trilogy, and the only one that I consider to be a true science fiction show. It's in my top five TV shows of the 2020s, easily. Rogue One was a superior Star Wars film, as well.

I think the prequels are all bad. I liked Force Awakens, really liked Last Jedi, and think Rise was appalling (Last Jedi set the franchise up to go in a new and interesting direction, but nope).

We won't talk about Solo.

Mandalorian had two solidly entertaining seasons and then whatever season 3 was. Other than that the TV shows have been pretty forgettable (I've literally forgotten the plot of Ahsoka, for example, despite watching the whole series), except Boba Fett, which I would like to forget. Eh, Obi Wan had that cool final battle.

But I'm five episodes into Skeleton Crew and quite liking it. The lead kid is annoying and I hope they write him out, but the show is super fun as a kind of tour of the Star Wars galaxy, Jude Law is great, and the peg-legged android is fantastic - everything I want in a pirate robot.

 

[Kaodi]

The kid being a bit annoying is fine. After all - kids can be annoying. If they make more seasons and he stays exactly like that then it becomes a problem.

Anyway there were things I liked about TLJ. I liked Luke's climb down from the pedestal. But it does not help you that much to land a beautiful triple axle during your routine if the rest of your performance is the skating equivalent of Raygun. And it definitely screwed Finn.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

what many people dubiously defended The Last Jedi with: being a children's show

Man what?

I've heard countless defences of TLJ and this has literally never been one of them. So "many people" rings false as hell. "One weird guy I got into an argument on the internet with" seems more plausible. Rather that is the defence used about all three Prequel movies. Including by Lucas himself.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

The other part of it was it felt like they pitted the two directors against each and and that didn’t serve the trilogy well

I don't think that was intentional, but Johnson and Abrams have such different styles and artistic ideas and personalities that giving them different movies wasn't smart - they'd have been better off picking one director for all three movies, or at least making someone a sort of "showrunner" for all three movies (which they did not do). Abrams took stuff personally (very clear from interviews) that for Johnson is part of being an artist working on a project other people work on, which is why the third movie went in such a weird direction with a lot of characters (kind of funny Abrams did this and was so bitter, but also explains a lot about some of the tension behind the scenes with Lost and so on).

But the original plan was going to be a car crash of a different kind - Trevorrow is an objectively much worse director than either Abrams or Johnson (Johnson by far the most talented of the three as a director, love him or loathe him, but Abrams is at least solid - Trevorrow isn't even that), and holy hell anyone who thinks his movie would have been good should read his script treatment, or better yet, let Jenny Nicholson go through it for you:


Would it have been worse than TROS? Hmmmm... hard to say. Equally bad? Probably, just in different ways.

 

[payn]

The Holdo Maneuver has a really, really simple explanation. The only reason the ships collided is because of the hyperspace tether that the First Order used on the Resistance ship. Without the tether, the interaction would only have destroyed the Resistance ship (it's established elsewhere that you can die in hyperspace if you collide with a gravity well, which is why ships have safety mechanisms that drop you out of hyperspace before that happens; that's how an Interdictor works). The lack of a tether is why you can't use the Holdo Maneuver in every other space battle.

The other key element is that it was new tech, so neither side knew with certainty what would happen. This explains why Holdo was so cryptic about the plan: she didn't know if it would work or not. Turning off the hyperspace safety measures and trying it out was a last ditch "well, we're dead anyway, why not give this a try?" tactic. And it explains why no one in the First Order responded fast enough to stop her. Hux (and others) only realized what might happen at the last minute, which also explains their reactions.

Going further, this also explains why we don't see hyperspace tethers used again. People now know that if a capital ship uses one, it puts a huge target on their backs; safer to stick with the old-school Interdictor style gravity wells. You could, however, have a suicide squad sneak a hyperspace tether onto a ship or outpost specifically to employ the technique.

I thought they learned their lessons about convoluted explanations for things in SW movies. In 20 years we will get "why the Holdo Maneuver worked" movie.

 

[Gradine]

I thought they learned their lessons about convoluted explanations for things in SW movies. In 20 years we will get "why the Holdo Maneuver worked" movie.

"Last name? I don't have a last name... Let's see... I'm holding oranges, so let's just go with... Holdo"