D&D (2024) Thoughts on Stealth and D&D2024

[Imaro]

But the hide rules DON’T SAY THAT

You cannot hide if you are in line of sight... You are also not concealed because per the Invisible condition you cannot be concealed if an effect's creator can somehow see you... with line of sight a spell (Or many other effects) can be cast/performed on said creature,

It seems self evident... how can a creature both have line of sight to another creature and also not see it?.

 

[Charlaquin]

Right, if a non-magically invisible creature moves into another's line of ight, they can be seen,

Citation needed.

 

[MerricB]

You cannot hide if you are in line of sight... You are also not concealed because per the Invisible condition you cannot be concealed if an effect's creator can somehow see you... with line of sight a spell (Or many other effects) can be cast/performed on said creature,

It seems self evident... how can a creature both have line of sight to another creature and also not see it?.

Do you have line-of-sight with 3/4 cover? Seems like the answer is "yes", but the conditions for taking the Hide action make it seem like 3/4 cover is okay.

The 2014 rules had a concept of a clear line-of-sight, without really defining it. It's a useful one to keep in mind.

Cheers!

 

[Charlaquin]

You cannot hide if you are in line of sight... You are also not concealed because per the Invisible condition you cannot be concealed if an effect's creator can somehow see you... with line of sight a spell (Or many other effects) can be cast/performed on said creature,

It seems self evident... how can a creature both have line of sight to another creature and also not see it?.

If line of sight is sufficient to see a creature with the invisible condition, then it doesn’t matter that it doesn’t end the effects of the invisibility spell, because the only effect of the invisibility spell being active is having the invisible condition. So, great, a creature finding me doesn’t end a useless condition. Whoopdeedoo.

 

[Parmandur]

Citation needed.

It's in the Spell description: the Invisibility Spell overwrites what will end the Invisible Condition. Truesight would get through thar, since Truesight pierces the Invisible Condition entirely, but a creature without Trusight cannot end the Invisible Condition by finding a creature under the Spell effect.

 

[Epic Meepo]

For the sake of argument, let's pretend the wording of the rules was better and we all agreed what the Invisibility condition is, how it gets used, and how it interacts with every spell in the book.

Cool. Let's say I don't take the Hide action and I'm not Invisible. I walk through a room full of creatures, none of whom have line of sight to me during my movement. How do I determine if the creatures know I'm there?

 

[Charlaquin]

It's in the Spell description: the Invisibility Spell overwrites what will end the Invisible Condition.

That’s not what I was asking for a citation for. You said when a non-magically invisible creature moves into another’s line of sight, they can be seen. Where is this written?

 

[Parmandur]

For the sake of argument, let's pretend the wording of the rules was better and we all agreed what the Invisibility condition is, how it gets used, and how it interacts with every spell in the book.

Cool. Let's say I don't take the Hide action and I'm not Invisible. I walk through a room full of creatures, none of whom have line of sight to me during my movement. How do I determine if the creatures know I'm there?

Well, you can certainly try. Roll a d20 reql quick.

 

[Parmandur]

That’s not what I was asking for a citation for. You said when a non-magically invisible creature moves into another’s line of sight, they can be seen. Where is this written?

It at least opens up an opportunity for a d20 test. It really isn't that difficult.

 

[Selas]

Do you have line-of-sight with 3/4 cover? Seems like the answer is "yes", but the conditions for taking the Hide action make it seem like 3/4 cover is okay.

The 2014 rules had a concept of a clear line-of-sight, without really defining it. It's a useful one to keep in mind.

Cheers!

Line of sight is in the 2024 DMG (p.45) as quoted on page 7 of this thread, which btw were also in the DMG back in 2014 (p.251). The definition is the same in both books. Line of sight was never a PHB thing. Also, depends on the situation if 3/4 cover breaks line of sight; this is a DM's call based on the narrative or combat circumstances