D&D 5E Why Do Higher Levels Get Less Play?

[Maxperson]

Maybe. That's also pure speculation.

No it's not. They give it zero support and get 5%. If they gave it decent to good support, people who don't currently play high level would in fact be inspired by it and follow. Good products inspire. What is speculation is how many more would follow. I don't think it would be a lot, but could hit maybe 10%.

 

[Reynard]

Maybe. That's also pure speculation.

No it's not. They give it zero support and get 5%. If they gave it decent to good support, people who don't currently play high level would in fact be inspired by it and follow. Good products inspire. What is speculation is how many more would follow. I don't think it would be a lot, but could hit maybe 10%.

I mean, it is speculation, but it isn't uninformed speculation. We know that players follow WotC and the VAST majority of players don't ever engage with anything not made by WotC. I think there is reason to believe that if WotC decided they wanted to make levels 15-20 cool, they could.

 

[Maxperson]

I mean, it is speculation, but it isn't uninformed speculation. We know that players follow WotC and the VAST majority of players don't ever engage with anything not made by WotC. I think there is reason to believe that if WotC decided they wanted to make levels 15-20 cool, they could.

I mean, what do you think the odds are that at least 1 person more than currently plays high level will start playing high level if they make a good book? I'd bet a LOT of money that it's at or near 100%.

 

[Zardnaar]

No it's not. They give it zero support and get 5%. If they gave it decent to good support, people who don't currently play high level would in fact be inspired by it and follow. Good products inspire. What is speculation is how many more would follow. I don't think it would be a lot, but could hit maybe 10%.

10% probably isn't enough though.

If a 3rd party is doing it their product is really lined at 5% of whatever number they normally for for a 3pp of their size and appeal.

 

[Maxperson]

10% probably isn't enough though.

It has been pointed out to be higher than other adventure products that have been made already.

 

[Zardnaar]

It has been pointed out to be higher than other adventure products that have been made already.

It has been pointed out to be higher than other adventure products that have been made already.

What's that? Higher than 5% currently?

Or the older products that didn't sell that well? Nothings stopping anyone from making them.

 

[Reynard]

What's that? Higher than 5% currently?

Or the older products that didn't sell that well? Nothings stopping anyone from making them.

3rd parties making high level stuff has no effect on anything. In the grand scheme, 3PP content might as well not exist for all it sells.

It is strange that you are asserting that there's no evidence people would want WotC generated high level stuff, while at the same time claiming you know they won't.

Are you saying that Eve of Ruin and the DotMM and the anthologies including high level adventures sold in the "5%" range?

 

[Zardnaar]

3rd parties making high level stuff has no effect on anything. In the grand scheme, 3PP content might as well not exist for all it sells.

It is strange that you are asserting that there's no evidence people would want WotC generated high level stuff, while at the same time claiming you know they won't.

Are you saying that Eve of Ruin and the DotMM and the anthologies including high level adventures sold in the "5%" range?

No in saying there's limited appeal for high level adventures. You get the occasional one.

Thise two also don't have the best reputations quality wise.

Most editions have some high level products. There's just not a lot.

And idk if we have any actual sales data on those products.

 

[Minigiant]

No in saying there's limited appeal for high level adventures. You get the occasional one.

Thise two also don't have the best reputations quality wise.

Most editions have some high level products. There's just not a lot.

And idk if we have any actual sales data on those products.

Think of it this way.

The 2014 Way of 4 elements Monk.

Is there high interest in a Elemental Monk? Yeah.
What it implemented well in 2014? No
Did it get additional support or fixes fromm 2014-2023? No.
Was it a highly played game aspect? No.

That's D&D's high level play.

 

[Zardnaar]

Think of it this way.

The 2014 Way of 4 elements Monk.

Is there high interest in a Elemental Monk? Yeah.
What it implemented well in 2014? No
Did it get additional support or fixes fromm 2014-2023? No.
Was it a highly played game aspect? No.

That's D&D's high level play.

I think it's an older problem than 2014.

Same with Monk. It's always been an iffy class.