Spoilers Superman Spoiler Thread

[Eric V]

I didn't view the Snyder version as an 'anti-hero'.

He was not at ALL an anti-hero.

 

[Morrus]

... and, IMHO, a mistake. They call him the most powerful metahuman alive in the opening crawl ... he should feel like it in the movie.

I have to agree. He never really got his hero moment —repeatedly beaten by Lex’s goons, the JG were the ones to beat the Godzilla, etc. He felt more like Rocky—outmatched but kept getting up. I could have used a big solo save or something. But I get that they were squeezing a lot in.

 

[chuckdee]

He was not at ALL an anti-hero.

I think people confuse inexperienced hero with anti-hero. Which was one thing that I did like. Many don't like the opening crawl or how they glossed over a lot, but that I did like. Reminds me a lot of how my favorite Superman live action media treated it... Superman & Lois. That show was chef's kiss

 

[Desdichado]

It was a James Gunn movie more than a Superman movie, but that's OK, I suppose. Superman was never a super interesting character. It's kinda nice that they showed him capable of being vulnerable, even when the kryptonite wasn't out. That helps him tremendously; that's always been my biggest beef with Superman as a character. The only way to challenge him is to give him moral dilemmas or threaten his friends. It gets old. That said; he was occasionally kind of rash and impatient, which isn't Superman. Showing up to threaten Lex wasn't cool. The Whedonesque dialog was toned down to manageable levels, I suppose, although it was still occasionally eye-rolling. That said, I read one review that called his a terrible Superman movie but a pretty good Clark Kent movie. I can kind of see that.

Krypto was OK. A bit over-used. Nice that he'll (presumably) be gone now from whatever franchise emerges from this. Guy Gardner was just there for the jokes. Mr. Terrific was, actually, kinda terrific. Surprising, because he's never been an A-lister, to my knowledge. Not that I'm a huge DC guy. I guess that's kind of the James Gunn MO though.

Not being a huge DC guy helped. I recognized but wasn't offended necessarily by the big changes in character of the Kents (super bupkiss), his Kryptonian parents (super Genghis Khan) and Supergirl (Supertramp), because I'm not invested enough in their default versions. Not sure why any of those changes needed to be done, though. The Partygirl cameo at least made me chuckle.

The credit scenes were both a waste of time. I feel like the plot was serviceable, but hardly exceptional. No surprises at all.

 

[Reef]

I think too much is being made out of Martha's lack of tech savvy. I have relatives who are exactly the same with smart phones, and no one is accusing them of being bumpkins. That I know of...heh.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Not sure why any of those changes needed to be done, though

Supergirl is obviously for the upcoming movie, to give her a character arc, going from super-brat to hero.

 

[Staffan]

... and, IMHO, a mistake. They call him the most powerful metahuman alive in the opening crawl ... he should feel like it in the movie.

Come to think of it, I don't think we ever see Supes at full power in this movie. He starts being beaten up by the Hammer of Barovia, and gets taken to the Fortress to get some focused sun... and he leaves when he's at 83%, and gets beaten again. We don't know if he gets to rest up again before the kaiju fight, but once he surrenders and gets taken to the pocket universe he gets exposed to kryptonite which drains him, and even when it goes away he doesn't immediately recover. Rex gives him some fake sunlight, but that clearly doesn't get him up to full power, and by the time they get out he's KO:ed. IIRC someone said he'd need a few days to recover, but crap is going down the very next day so it's time to put on his newly polished boots and get to work.

 

[Stalker0]

The credit scenes were both a waste of time.

I will firmly agree with this. Since this movie sets the tone of the new DCU, I would have rather they either forego end credit scenes or have made it important. Go one or the other. This was the worst of both worlds.

 

[Desdichado]

I will firmly agree with this. Since this movie sets the tone of the new DCU, I would have rather they either forego end credit scenes or have made it important. Go one or the other. This was the worst of both worlds.

Could have been worse. James Gunn teased an original Guardians of the Galaxy team in one of the end credit scenes, but it was really just a cameo; nothing ever came of it; Starhawk, Mainframe, Martinex, etc. Fake teasers are even worse than dumb jokes.

I actually thought the final end credit scene, showing Superman making an aw, shucks, darnit moment after he accidentally offended Mr. Terrific was at least some character development, shallow and pointless at that point as it was.

 

[Stalker0]

I actually thought the final end credit scene, showing Superman making an aw, shucks, darnit moment after he accidentally offended Mr. Terrific was at least some character development, shallow and pointless at that point as it was.

It was funny as I watched that scene...I kept thinking I had missed something. I was like "ok is that some special building that has important DC reference, or is there something written that I'm just not seeing".

And then it turns out it was just a little joke with no real context and it felt even more silly.

Of course I have firmly lost interest in the end credits stuff. It was great in the early days of the MCU when true important reveals and connections into the next movie was highlighted. But nowadays its often just a "check the box" kind of activity, with little importance.