DMs too (unless you were including them as players). There is a lot to be said about the arms race between players and DMs in the interest of "challenge".
In what ways do you see DMs able to optimize in a similar way to players?
in that case a lot of people who liked 5e should not like 5.5, so I guess the evidence is not in your favor
the changes do not really make it harder to do a ‘the monsters know’ however, and he is releasing one for the 2024 MM
DMs who feel their players are too powerful seek to increase the challenge of the game in two ways: harder monsters and fights and curtailing PC power via restrictions. Neither is bad in a void, but DMs can easily fall victim to either creating encounters that are death traps for anything but the most optimized players (an issue that Paizo frequently has in PF APs) or banning or crippling options (and not the obvious ones like silvery barbs or Twilight cleric). The worst is when both happen simultaneously and the DM creates scenarios where the PCs are fighting one hand tied behind their backs against Foes built to handle fully optimized characters which only leads players to find even more broken combos to survive which creates more bans and more challenge pushing.
Yeah that's what I meant? I only meant that maybe in some previous edition they did.
yes, not that different, but the directional trend is there
he said nothing even remotely like that… talk about exaggerating things…
