D&D General The Monsters Know What They're Doing ... Are Unsure on 5e24

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But with Eberron, because it was built around this core principle of openness to any idea that was ever published for D&D, choosing to exclude is 100% identical to choosing not to include. There is no difference between those things, because “If it’s in D&D it has a place in Eberron”. To include something in nearly any other setting, you have to actually, y'know, work for it. You have to alter the setting to a meaningful degree. Not so with Eberron.
I have to do pretty much the same work to add tortles in FR or Greyhawk as I have to do to add them to Eberron. They are not mentioned in any of their setting books (as far as I know), so I can put them in some remote location and be done with it or try to give them more of a backstory by adding them to past events in some form.

There is no difference between how much I have to do for this in Eberron vs many other settings, so no, Eberron is not unique in that regard
 

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I’d say you equated the DM denying the player to play a tortle with the DM being a bad host but apparently did not consider the player being a bad guest for choosing a species the DM explicitly did not allow.
A host has greater responsibilities than a guest, no? Especially when the guests are present at the host's invitation!

It is a rude host that invites friends over for a dinner party and provides only dishes which contain meat, knowing that one of the guests is vegetarian; or dishes which contain pork and pork-derived products (e.g. bacon fat), knowing that one of the guests is Jewish or Muslim. It is a rude host that invites friends to stay the night, and then plays screamer metal until late into the evening, unless they know for certain that every guest they invited enjoys such music. It is a rude host who actively serves and displays alcoholic beverages despite knowing that one of the guests is a recovering alcoholic.

And, likewise, it is a rude host who pointedly avoids foods without signalling that right from the very start, springing it on guests upon their arrival. If you have a Thanksgiving meal and there is simply no dessert whatsoever, not even a single pumpkin pie, not even the attempt at a dessert, I would absolutely call that being a bad host. Now, if the guests know you're allergic to pumpkin, whether because you informed them specifically BEFORE they agreed to attend, then they should expect no pie; if you say you're cutting back on sugars entirely, so you're not serving dessert and you tell them BEFORE they agreed to attend, then they should expect no dessert and can bug out ASAP.

Once you're at session 0, people have already accepted your invitation and are present at your house. I am quite comfortable asserting that it is far too late at that point to start telling people that they are somehow horrible awful rude guests because they expected to be able to have dessert after their dinner!
 

I have to do pretty much the same work to add tortles in FR or Greyhawk as I have to do to add them to Eberron. They are not mentioned in any of their setting books (as far as I know), so I can put them in some remote location and be done with it or try to give them more of a backstory by adding them to past events in some form.

There is no difference between how much I have to do for this in Eberron vs many other settings, so no, Eberron is not unique in that regard
You may insist all you like. The quote remains. “If it’s in D&D it has a place in Eberron” is true of Eberron. It is not true of FR. FR was not built with that in mind. Eberron was.

Unless and until you can show me where that statement has also been made about FR, I rest my case.
 


It is a rude host that invites friends over for a dinner party and provides only dishes which contain meat, knowing that one of the guests is vegetarian
which is the exact reversal of the situation we have. The player knows the allowed species and insists on one not on the list.

Or to stay in guest and host terms, they knew the menu and now throw a tantrum because they want the host to prepare a dish that was not on it
 

You may insist all you like.
will do

The quote remains. “If it’s in D&D it has a place in Eberron” is true of Eberron. It is not true of FR. FR was not built with that in mind. Eberron was.
FR was built with that in mind too, at least in its recent iterations, there just is no Keith who said so out loud

Unless and until you can show me where that statement has also been made about FR, I rest my case.
you have not made a case yet, only a claim that is refuted by Keith’s actual quote
 

A host has greater responsibilities than a guest, no? Especially when the guests are present at the host's invitation!
Yes, that is typically why the host deserves more respect / deference - they are putting in the effort and cost to host.

It is a rude host that invites friends over for a dinner party and provides only dishes which contain meat, knowing that one of the guests is vegetarian;...
Well it would be really odd to have dishes that only have meat, so I will assume you mean the main entree here. Yes, that would be rude (I've lived that very scenario). However, that really only applies if the host knows the guest is a vegetarian. The safe assumption (in the US at least) is that they are not vegetarians. So, IMO, it is the vegetarians responsibility to let the host know of dietary restrictions prior to accepting the invite.

While this analogy is a bit silly I do think it works to some extent. If a player came to game and would only play one species, they should really let the group know before hand.
 

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