Pineapple Express: Someone Is Wrong on the Internet?

[el-remmen]

...you lost me. I think that personal experience is the best way to inform an opinion.

I am talking about forming an opinion about something in which you are un- or under- informed. In that case, you are using your (lack of) experience to form the opinion that maybe you just don't know enough to have something worth contributing.

Edit: in other words, I think what you said and what I said are not mutually exclusive, in fact they work in conjunction. I am just talking about the specific experience of not knowing much about something. . .

 

[billd91]

...you lost me. I think that personal experience is the best way to inform an opinion.

Indeed. And since that reference to experience and informed opinion comes after not being familiar with other games, it's my understanding he's saying that experience with games you are not familiar with is insufficient for having an informed opinion.

 

[Reynard]

"Indie" as a description of what something is, as opposed to how it was made and by whom, has always bugged me -- in music, in games, in film, in fiction, etc...

Indie is when people manage to create it without the benefit of a big corporation. It has nothing to do with genre.

 

[Willie the Duck]

"Indie" as a description of what something is, as opposed to how it was made and by whom, has always bugged me -- in music, in games, in film, in fiction, etc...

Indie is when people manage to create it without the benefit of a big corporation. It has nothing to do with genre.

I can certainly get that, but at the same time, it is hardly unique in this regard. Is punk music DIY anti-corporate rock (perhaps with a timeframe requirement), or is it* short, fast, 3-chord songs that juxtapose tonal and atonal components?
*deliberate reductionism for illustrative purposes, I get that you can think of a counterexample.

Art is always going to be a mix of the technical aspects and the meanings or movements that instigated their existence.

 

[soviet]

"Indie" as a description of what something is, as opposed to how it was made and by whom, has always bugged me -- in music, in games, in film, in fiction, etc...

Indie is when people manage to create it without the benefit of a big corporation. It has nothing to do with genre.

It can be a broad descriptor or predictor of content when a particular type of X is outside the mainstream, but yes it becomes less useful when that type of X breaks through into (or outright replaces) the mainstream.

It can speak to a certain sensibility that is outside of current commercial imperatives but nonetheless shared by multiple creators.

 

[Reynard]

It can be a broad descriptor or predictor of content when a particular type of X is outside the mainstream, but yes it becomes less useful when that type of X breaks through into (or outright replaces) the mainstream.

It can speak to a certain sensibility that is outside of current commercial imperatives but nonetheless shared by multiple creators.

To use video games as an example, there are "indie" video games of every conceivable style, genre and level of quality. "Indie" doesn't mean anything from a gameplay standpoint. Same with TTRPGs -- but, for some reason, we have decided that "indie" roleplaying games must have x, y and z qualities.

 

[soviet]

To use video games as an example, there are "indie" video games of every conceivable style, genre and level of quality. "Indie" doesn't mean anything from a gameplay standpoint. Same with TTRPGs -- but, for some reason, we have decided that "indie" roleplaying games must have x, y and z qualities.

It's contextual. Sometimes it is a useful shorthand for a particular artistic movement and sometimes it is not. I don't know anything about indie video games. But if you said 'indie RPG' in the 2000s I would have a high chance of knowing what you meant. If you said 'indie music' in the 80s or 90s I would have a high chance of knowing what you meant.

 

[dragoner]

Me! I am indie games, you have the permission to shower me with money now.

 

[Ryujin]

I can certainly get that, but at the same time, it is hardly unique in this regard. Is punk music DIY anti-corporate rock (perhaps with a timeframe requirement), or is it* short, fast, 3-chord songs that juxtapose tonal and atonal components?
*deliberate reductionism for illustrative purposes, I get that you can think of a counterexample.

Art is always going to be a mix of the technical aspects and the meanings or movements that instigated their existence.

Punk Music - Music characterized by simple instrumentals, rough vocals, and counter-culture lyrics, often performed by novice musicians.

 

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