D&D 5E My powergamer players wants to be a bard.
Thaumaturge
Wandering. Not lost. (He/they)
Looking at it, you are almost certainly right.
That doesn't change the fact that anyone who has reached this point in the thread shouldn't at least look at one of those Bard's Tale links I posted.
Thus ends the bard's tale.
Mouseferatu
Hero
Alas, IME, all the modern "retro" versions of Bard's Tale have been the originals, not the art-and-sound upgraded Apple II-GS versions. (Yes, I was one of the seven people on the planet who bought one of those.) After having experienced those versions, I've never been able to tolerate going back to the older. (Which is why I was horrifically upset they never developed a II-GS version of BT3, and thus still have never played it.)
Mouseferatu
Hero
Oh, wait. We weren't talking about the real Bard's Tale? Just that more recent atrocity that stole the name and nothing else? Bugger that.
The_Gneech
Explorer
The great thing about mix/maxing a bard is that all it does is make them better at buffing the rest of the party. So, still a net gain.
But yes, spell secrets is the thing to watch out for. Handy ability if your group is missing a wizard or a cleric and the bard is pinch-hitting for that position, but does allow them to yoink some things that are normally gated at a higher level.
-The Gneech
But yes, spell secrets is the thing to watch out for. Handy ability if your group is missing a wizard or a cleric and the bard is pinch-hitting for that position, but does allow them to yoink some things that are normally gated at a higher level.
-The Gneech
Thaumaturge
Wandering. Not lost. (He/they)
Oh, wait. We weren't talking about the real Bard's Tale? Just that more recent atrocity that stole the name and nothing else? Bugger that.
This explains why your reply to me came across as a series of bleeps and bloops.
You don't like fun.
Thaumaturge.
No, they're quite clearly exploiting a loophole to gain an advantage.
HardcoreDandDGirl
First Post
I can atleast see how you can say that about the bag of rats (and again I have never seen a DM who would allow it) but can you explain how using the candle is exploiting anything? you are using it to summon a creature and make a deal... that is kinda the idea of the candle...
Mistwell
Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
All of this portion of your reply was answered in my post...for some reason you thought it was clever to break my post up into bits and pretend the bottom part didn't address the top part, but it wasn't helpful and made it look like I was intentionally misrepresenting things when I obviously was not.
No, insider trading is a cheat. You go to prison for it, for a long time, if you do it. Pretty darn clear it's a cheat.
Naw, both are well known examples of loopholes in the game. And I suspect you knew that.
You've managed to redefine risk as "stuff a DM would let me get away with maybe" but that's not risk because there is no real harm involved - if you can't build your character that way you just build it a different way. Risk means you're actually stuck with the long term consequences if it goes wrong.
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HardcoreDandDGirl
First Post
that is where your analogy breaks down... char op isn't a cheat nore is it insider trafing... it's reading a text book on it and making the trades and doing it well...
or like I said neither are loopholes... one is stupid though...
please walk me through this with the candle... how are you not stuck playing the character if the DM twists the wish, or just out right says no...
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