D&D 5E My powergamer players wants to be a bard.

[Paraxis]

Oh, boy. Have I got good news for you. It's on Steam for Windows, OsX, and Linux here. It's in the iOS App store here. And it's in the Android google play store here. All with various updates and improvements. No version costs more than $10.

See you in a couple of weeks. Enjoy the bad puns.

Thaumaturge.

I am thinking he was talking about the 1985 version of Bard's Tale.

 

[Thaumaturge]

I am thinking he was talking about the 1985 version of Bard's Tale.
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Looking at it, you are almost certainly right.

That doesn't change the fact that anyone who has reached this point in the thread shouldn't at least look at one of those Bard's Tale links I posted.

Thus ends the bard's tale.

 

[Mouseferatu]

Oh, boy. Have I got good news for you. It's on Steam for Windows, OsX, and Linux here. It's in the iOS App store here. And it's in the Android google play store here. All with various updates and improvements. No version costs more than $10.

Alas, IME, all the modern "retro" versions of Bard's Tale have been the originals, not the art-and-sound upgraded Apple II-GS versions. (Yes, I was one of the seven people on the planet who bought one of those.) After having experienced those versions, I've never been able to tolerate going back to the older. (Which is why I was horrifically upset they never developed a II-GS version of BT3, and thus still have never played it.)

 

[Mouseferatu]

Oh, wait. We weren't talking about the real Bard's Tale? Just that more recent atrocity that stole the name and nothing else? Bugger that.

 

[The_Gneech]

The great thing about mix/maxing a bard is that all it does is make them better at buffing the rest of the party. So, still a net gain.

But yes, spell secrets is the thing to watch out for. Handy ability if your group is missing a wizard or a cleric and the bard is pinch-hitting for that position, but does allow them to yoink some things that are normally gated at a higher level.

-The Gneech

 

[Thaumaturge]

Oh, wait. We weren't talking about the real Bard's Tale? Just that more recent atrocity that stole the name and nothing else? Bugger that.

This explains why your reply to me came across as a series of bleeps and bloops.

You don't like fun.

Thaumaturge.

 

[Thank Dog]

both of those are excellent examples of risk... the bag of rats requires you to know your DM, I've never meet one that would go for it... and the candle trick requires wishes, aka the most dangerus spell in the game

No, they're quite clearly exploiting a loophole to gain an advantage.

 

[HardcoreDandDGirl]

No, they're quite clearly exploiting a loophole to gain an advantage.

I can atleast see how you can say that about the bag of rats (and again I have never seen a DM who would allow it) but can you explain how using the candle is exploiting anything? you are using it to summon a creature and make a deal... that is kinda the idea of the candle...

 

[Mistwell]

and it's called character optimization... it is also a known part of the game.
so does character op... very few of them are push button x and win, most require you give something up (that is called min/maxing) some require you do siriten things, others require a large investment... by the way the same way anyone can char op anyone can trade in futures...
so how do you 'build' to that? and how do you do so in the rules? because char op build to power using the rules, stealing money does neaither...

All of this portion of your reply was answered in my post...for some reason you thought it was clever to break my post up into bits and pretend the bottom part didn't address the top part, but it wasn't helpful and made it look like I was intentionally misrepresenting things when I obviously was not.

that is almost closer, but it is a skill not a cheat. it isn't knowing the inside info it's being able to figure out what comes next...

No, insider trading is a cheat. You go to prison for it, for a long time, if you do it. Pretty darn clear it's a cheat.

Or a bag of rats allowing for someone to use cleave more times. Or a candle of invocation allowing you to obtain infinite wishes.

both of those are excellent examples of risk... the bag of rats requires you to know your DM, I've never meet one that would go for it... and the candle trick requires wishes, aka the most dangerus spell in the game

Naw, both are well known examples of loopholes in the game. And I suspect you knew that.

You've managed to redefine risk as "stuff a DM would let me get away with maybe" but that's not risk because there is no real harm involved - if you can't build your character that way you just build it a different way. Risk means you're actually stuck with the long term consequences if it goes wrong.

 

[HardcoreDandDGirl]

No, insider trading is a cheat. You go to prison for it, for a long time, if you do it. Pretty darn clear it's a cheat.

that is where your analogy breaks down... char op isn't a cheat nore is it insider trafing... it's reading a text book on it and making the trades and doing it well...

Naw, both are well known examples of loopholes in the game. And I suspect you knew that.

or like I said neither are loopholes... one is stupid though...

You've managed to redefine risk as "stuff a DM would let me get away with maybe" but that's not risk because there is no real harm involved - if you can't build your character that way you just build it a different way. Risk means you're actually stuck with the long term consequences if it goes wrong.

please walk me through this with the candle... how are you not stuck playing the character if the DM twists the wish, or just out right says no...