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D&D 5E 5E PHB heading back into the Amazon top 100?

EzekielRaiden

Follower of the Way
In light of the (incredibly overdue) announcement of the 5e OGL, I partially rescind my previous statement: it's possible that the uptick of interest derived from this announcement may be just enough to push one or more of 5e's books back into the top 100 again, if it's already close.
 

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TerraDave

5ever, or until 2024
Right now it is down to 149...but we will see.

I have been confident both because I think its a good game, and because of WotC's overall management of the product.

At any particular time I have had problems with this or that. But since they started the playtest they always seem to eventually do the right thing. And do it in a way that is a pleasant surprise.
 



TerraDave

5ever, or until 2024
Sigh. We have gone over this before...and I did not want to re-hash it, but I can't stop myself, so guess I will.

Amazon is best as a relative ranking. No D&D products have come close to these numbers in 12+ years (there are links up thread), so they are almost certainly the best selling in 12+ years, especially as our other data like ICV2 is consistent with that.

Still, it is tempting to speculate as to absolute sales. Its important to understand that their are millions of books available through amazon. You can have a sales rank of 3,000,000 or lower. Authors in their discussions will often focus on ranks anywhere from 500 to 50,000. The PHB and all the core products are doing better then that.

Various places on the web try to estimate sales from rank. Here is one:

http://www.fonerbooks.com/surfing.htm

Based on this and other things I have seen, its probably closer to 100 or a little lest per day for the PHB. Which is nice. Say around 30,000 per year. When the PHB was closer to #1, then of course sales would have been much higher.

In any case, it would still take a long time to get to a million (the old guestimate for the 1E and 3.0 PHBs). But of course Amazon is just one sales channel. But if it is doing well there, it is probably also doing well through the other channels. Again, the relative number is what counts.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Sigh. We have gone over this before...and I did not want to re-hash it, but I can't stop myself, so guess I will.

Amazon is best as a relative ranking. No D&D products have come close to these numbers in 12+ years (there are links up thread), so they are almost certainly the best selling in 12+ years, especially as our other data like ICV2 is consistent with that.

Still, it is tempting to speculate as to absolute sales. Its important to understand that their are millions of books available through amazon. You can have a sales rank of 3,000,000 or lower. Authors in their discussions will often focus on ranks anywhere from 500 to 50,000. The PHB and all the core products are doing better then that.

Various places on the web try to estimate sales from rank. Here is one:

http://www.fonerbooks.com/surfing.htm

Based on this and other things I have seen, its probably closer to 100 or a little lest per day for the PHB. Which is nice. Say around 30,000 per year. When the PHB was closer to #1, then of course sales would have been much higher.

In any case, it would still take a long time to get to a million (the old guestimate for the 1E and 3.0 PHBs). But of course Amazon is just one sales channel. But if it is doing well there, it is probably also doing well through the other channels. Again, the relative number is what counts.

Based on the ICV2 data my guess was sales of 100k units with an absolute ceiling of 200k assuming 100% of D&D sold was PHB. So maybe 150k sold +30k a year now. Its roughly middle of the road in terms of D&D sales. In the equivalent amount of time I think it is outselling 1st ed but not outselling 2E, BECMI or 3E so its roughly in the middle in terms of D&D sales.

1E had the highest sales number but that was in print for 14 years (77-1990) and was reprinted 16 or 17 times IIRC. I think one 1st ed product (ToEE) was reprinted in 1994 for the last time 5 years after 2E launched.

Online 3.x (3.5+PF) is roughly played the same amount as 5E. And thats why they are probably not beating 2E and 3E in sales the market is still split with 70% or so playing some version of D&D online but split over the editions and clones. 5E it seems doesn't even have a majority of D&D players but it is the largest fragment (online).
 




TerraDave

5ever, or until 2024
I haven't looked at this for a while.

Its #78 overall right now. Capture.JPG
 

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