D&D and the rising pandemic

They aren't giving it up here in California. We pay them very well. And it's breaking us. We cannot afford these pensions. When every taxpayer owes around 80k for underfunded pensions already and it's getting worse by the minute, something has to change. I guarantee you that with what we pay, the jobs would be filled if it was a 401k instead of a pension.
Then there were some serious screw-ups in either compensation, the setting up for/saving of the pensions. Compensation likely needs to be high, because of location, so I think that's out. I would hazard a guess that it's the latter. Too many people seem to like the idea of raiding funds that are "just sitting around", then complaining after the much needed money has been spent.

My own pension fund is fully funded but, because on limits in investment earnings placed on them, there was a time when they weren't. Markets fluctuate and if a fund isn't allowed to grow in the green times, it will starve in the drought.
 

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An area school district started a week or two earlier than most. 100+ positive in the first week. 5% of school population is in quaranteen.


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Here they changed the retirement years/age (no more just needing 18 years regardless.of.service), upped the contribution (but not benefits), and are pushing the 401k-ish version. Seemed reasonable to me.

No desire at all to do similar for the police iirc. Do they only need 25 years?
here you can retire at 50 if you have 5 years service credit. 55 otherwise.
 

here you can retire at 50 if you have 5 years service credit. 55 otherwise.
Here's what they put in in South Carolina for those wanting the pension (instead of 401k type plan). It still lets some folks retire pretty young - but it's at least it's 6 years more working than before. And most of those who could start at 22 wouldn't be the higher paying jobs since they probably wouldn't have a degree.

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Broadly in the US, 75% of academic teaching jobs are not tenure track positions these days. 40% of faculty are adjunct professors, effectively part-time employees.
I'm always amazed how the use of adjunct faculty varies from department to department within a University, between disciplines, and between Universities of the same tier. I've been blessed that the temporary faculty we use in our department are mostly those with other full time jobs (or those who don't want one) who pick up the teaching slot for extra money. It's appalling to see how many folks (including some good friends on FB) have to cobble things together just to scrape by :.-(
 

Here's what they put in in South Carolina for those wanting the pension (instead of 401k type plan). It still lets some folks retire pretty young - but it's at least it's 6 years more working than before. And most of those who could start at 22 wouldn't be the higher paying jobs since they probably wouldn't have a degree.

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For me, the earliest that I can go is determined by the "80 factor"; age at least 60, with 20+ years of service. By that I can retire in two years, with full pension. I work in a Canadian university.
 

For me, the earliest that I can go is determined by the "80 factor"; age at least 60, with 20+ years of service. By that I can retire in two years, with full pension. I work in a Canadian university.
I had to make the choice to either go with the state pension or an optional 403b stock plan when hired. One is immediately vested in the 403b, but only got your principal back from the state plan if you left to early (10 years? something before it was clear one would have tenure I think). So my "pension" is whatever the market does with my stock and bond choices. I need the years in I think to buy the healthcare when I retire.
 
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I had to make the choice to either go with the state pension or an optional 403b stock plan when hired. You were immediately vested in the 403b, but only got your principal back from the state plan if you left to early (10 years? something before it was clear one would have tenure I think). So my "pension" is whatever the market does with my stock and bond choices. I need the years in I think to buy the healthcare when I retire.

Quick primer (for the US):

"Pensions" can be categorized in one of two ways in the US:
1. Defined Benefit. ("DB")
2. Defined Contribution. ("DC")

DBs are what people normally think of as "pensions." At some point in the future (retirement), you will get an amount that will be determined ahead of time; either a dollar figure ($200 a month) or some amount as determined by a plan (salary and years of service is a common one).

DCs aren't ... well they aren't really pensions. Usually they are just retirement plans, often tax-preferred. Think of 401k and 403b. The employee, employer, or both put money in and at some point in the future, the employee gets the money (with investment gains).


The specific issues when it comes to DBs are pretty simple- they are much better for most employees. DCs effectively offload retirement risk from the employer to the employee (and often from the employer to the government). Most people consistently don't put enough into the DCs to effectively support themselves in retirement.

However, DBs have their own issues as well. The primary issue is the Wimpy issue- "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today." When bargaining over the terms and conditions of wages, employees like to get security down the road. They will forego present money for that security. But on the other side, employers need to be careful. It's easy to promise money that the current employer will never pay- that's a problem for the next CEO (or governor) 30 years from now. Without careful attention, both sides will rationally bargain up higher DBs because it benefits them.

But then the future comes, and the people who gave up present wages for future benefits will get screwed because the future employers will either declare bankruptcy to avoid obligations (private) or seek to undo their obligation (public sector). Which means that more people clamor for DCs, which, again, are a much worse option for the majority of people. Not all- they are great if you are already well off. But most people.

... none of this having to do much with either COVID or TTRPGs, but it is quite fascinating!
 



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