D&D and the rising pandemic

[Maxperson]

We had a candidate for governor in IL once who ran on needing a tax increase to pay for all the things the voters wanted (like, well, schools). Of course they got slaughtered by the candidate who promised no tax increases. Of course, a while in, they had to raise taxes.

One of my biggest pet peeves are folks who want a tax cut or tax increase who can't say specifically what they want to cut out of the budget or fund new. Here we went years hearing "there has to be room for an across the board 4% cut"... with no regard to how many previous years that was said or to the population growing or, well, anything related to reality.



I'm sure some are being overpaid. What are those making 100k+ doing? Experienced state college professors in a variety of fields in some states make less than some of their fresh Ph.D. students do starting in their first jobs (and some of those private colleges give some great free tuition perks for the kids that many public schools don't). What are the lawyers the state needs making compared to what lawyers of similar experience make in the private sector? The doctors? Those overseeing agencies of 1,000s of employees with 9 figure budgets? (I won't ask about the high school and college football and basketball coaches). What should a teacher with a masters and 20 years experience in an expensive area make? If the state needs workers in a building in an expensive area, how much does it cost for the worker to even live within a reasonable commute? [Edit: Wow 340k employees is a big number!]

(Here for a long time there was a ruckus every year about how many state employees made $50k or more. $50k!?!? Wtf should folks with advanced degrees and years of experience and managerial responsibility make.)

50k is what our junior college professors make. The average CSU professor salary is $112k. The average UC professor makes 214K.

 

[Zardnaar]

We had a candidate for governor in IL once who ran on needing a tax increase to pay for all the things the voters wanted (like, well, schools). Of course they got slaughtered by the candidate who promised no tax increases. Of course, a while in, they had to raise taxes.

One of my biggest pet peeves are folks who want a tax cut or tax increase who can't say specifically what they want to cut out of the budget or fund new. Here we went years hearing "there has to be room for an across the board 4% cut"... with no regard to how many previous years that was said or to the population growing or, well, anything related to reality.



I'm sure some are being overpaid. What are those making 100k+ doing? Experienced state college professors in a variety of fields in some states make less than some of their fresh Ph.D. students do starting in their first jobs (and some of those private colleges give some great free tuition perks for the kids that many public schools don't). What are the lawyers the state needs making compared to what lawyers of similar experience make in the private sector? The doctors? Those overseeing agencies of 1,000s of employees with 9 figure budgets? (I won't ask about the high school and college football and basketball coaches). What should a teacher with a masters and 20 years experience in an expensive area make? If the state needs workers in a building in an expensive area, how much does it cost for the worker to even live within a reasonable commute? [Edit: Wow 340k employees is a big number!]

(Here for a long time there was a ruckus every year about how many state employees made $50k or more. $50k!?!? Wtf should folks with advanced degrees and years of experience and managerial responsibility make.)

Easy explaination.

Minimum wage worker makes what 16k in the US or low paid 20k? Doing some crap job. Or waitressing counting on tips.

50k worker gets to sit in a nice office probably not doing anything to demanding and gets double the low paid workers. And has better job security plus benefits etc.

Here the numbers change but the sentiment is the same. White collar government service jobs often don't require that much hard work relative to breaking your balls doing XYZ.

Minimum wage here though has been increasing faster so some of those public servants working in the bureaucracy are barely getting paid more than minimum wage when they used to get an extra 10k or so.


They also have thing like an hour long lunch break if required or a lot easier to finish an hour earlier or whatever and if they're on salary their pay doesn't even take a hit.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

We had a candidate for governor in IL once who ran on needing a tax increase to pay for all the things the voters wanted (like, well, schools). Of course they got slaughtered by the candidate who promised no tax increases. Of course, a while in, they had to raise taxes.

See also Mike Dukakis’s presidential campaign.

 

[Zardnaar]

I've seen one candidate win since 1996 campaigning on more taxes. That was in 1999. Said tax was repealed post 2008 when they lost.

What I'm finding amusing atm is some of those people now wondering why some things are falling apart. Sometimes complaining about tax still.

Makes me wonder how they think things work. Niece will likely need to go to uni in a few years but housing costs alone are gonna hurt.

Already had the "she can live with you" joke.

 

[Zardnaar]

If you're not familiar with geography guess where the cities are?

Buyers beware: Reserve Bank about to take 'larger hose' to housing market

The days of loading up with debt could be numbered.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[Ryujin]

We can't afford it. The current pension liability is somewhere around 80k for every taxpayer in the state. They should invest in 401k like everyone else.

When it comes to the Public Sector we employees give up things like maximum earning potential in exchange for greater perceived job security, benefits, and a pension. We give up the extra cash for those retirement investments, because our employer is effectively doing that for us.

 

[Umbran]

50k is what our junior college professors make. The average CSU professor salary is $112k. The average UC professor makes 214K.

Broadly in the US, 75% of academic teaching jobs are not tenure track positions these days. 40% of faculty are adjunct professors, effectively part-time employees.

About a third of adjunct professors get paid below the poverty line in the US. Surveying found that the median per-course pay was about $2,700. If the adjunct has a workload like a full time employee, that works out to about $24,000 per year.

Mind you, these adjuncts are usually the ones with the most actual teaching experience.

Academia is kind of screwed up.

 

[Zardnaar]

Broadly in the US, 75% of academic teaching jobs are not tenure track positions these days. 40% of faculty are adjunct professors, effectively part-time employees.

About a third of adjunct professors get paid below the poverty line in the US. Surveying found that the median per-course pay was about $2,700. If the adjunct has a workload like a full time employee, that works out to about $24,000 per year.

Mind you, these adjuncts are usually the ones with the most actual teaching experience.

Academia is kind of screwed up.

Minimum wage here but less.

Sister in law is a low level employee at the University she does it for the hours and lifestyle.

Basically when the students are on holiday she really has a 5 hour working week.

 

[Maxperson]

When it comes to the Public Sector we employees give up things like maximum earning potential in exchange for greater perceived job security, benefits, and a pension. We give up the extra cash for those retirement investments, because our employer is effectively doing that for us.

They aren't giving it up here in California. We pay them very well. And it's breaking us. We cannot afford these pensions. When every taxpayer owes around 80k for underfunded pensions already and it's getting worse by the minute, something has to change. I guarantee you that with what we pay, the jobs would be filled if it was a 401k instead of a pension.

 

[Cadence]

They aren't giving it up here in California. We pay them very well. And it's breaking us. We cannot afford these pensions. When every taxpayer owes around 80k for underfunded pensions already and it's getting worse by the minute, something has to change. I guarantee you that with what we pay, the jobs would be filled if it was a 401k instead of a pension.

Here they changed the retirement years/age (no more just needing 18 years regardless.of.service), upped the contribution (but not benefits), and are pushing the 401k-ish version. Seemed reasonable to me.

No desire at all to do similar for the police iirc. Do they only need 25 years?