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D&D (2024) What type of ranger would your prefer for 2024?

What type of ranger?

  • Spell-less Ranger

    Votes: 59 48.4%
  • Spellcasting Ranger

    Votes: 63 51.6%

Vaalingrade

Legend
The issue is always the drawbacks.

It's like the Spell-less ranger WOTC did design. If your bear is not a fey spirit in the shape of a bear conjured magically for the Feywild, then your beast is in its natural terrain wherever the heck it is.
That's assuming there are even animals in the correct CR in the area.
But that's no fun. So let's be fantastical and say no matter what an animal of the correct CR can hear the call ad the ranger know every call of every animal.
It's still has to run to you. Through the wild. Past its enemies. Past the tribals. Past the dungeon traps. For who knows know long.
And when it gets to you. its friendly too?

But fans want it fast and with no terrain limits and no fail chances or mishaps.

Well that Conjure Animals. The spell. But free, uncounterable, and no concentration.
This old man remembers when you just had an animal companion and didn't have to call it into being every time you wanted it.
 

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Vaalingrade

Legend
And when you start using the same mechanics to do everything, even if you call it something different, none of the choices actually feel different. That was a big criticism of 4e with its hyper symmetrical design.
that is exactly how we got into this mess in the first place.

they wanted to call everything spells? Well here's how that actually looks, boyos. Now we all stew in their hubris.
 

Incenjucar

Legend
Pokemounts make sense because horses are just so danged big and also it's already magic.

But you can just have, like, a loyal hunting dog.
 

It's still has to run to you. Through the wild. Past its enemies. Past the tribals. Past the dungeon traps. For who knows know long.
And when it gets to you. its friendly too?

I don't think this is terribly important; namely because you can design it such that the animals come from the area you're in (and have a good variety of options) or you can just ignore it and not worry about that kind of minutia. It just isn't important.

I describe this very ability as throwing a pebble into the woods to provoke a stampede of 20 dragons. It just does not matter how it works, at all.
 


I have to admit, I'm quite surprised as well. Although maybe it's a function of those wanting change to be more likely to interact with the poll. It's interesting, nonetheless.
Could be, but I suspect it's dissatisfaction with the particular ways they're having the Ranger use spells (i.e. instead of attacks/abilities) that's bleeding through. It's a much more extremely spellcast-y version than the PHB Ranger.
 

ChameleonX

Explorer
Ranger Knacks. You have a number of special skills that are basically spells, but are totally not spells actually.

You can prepare a number of spells knacks per day equal to half your level (round up) + your Wisdom modifier. Each must come from the Primal spell knack list, and be of a level no higher than 1 less than your proficiency bonus.

You can cast each of these spells knacks once, without expending a spell slot and without verbal or somatic components. You then can't cast the same spell knack again until you finish a long rest, unless you prepare the same spell knack multiple times.

Each knack is not actually a spell, and can't be countered. It also works in an anti-magic field, isn't affected by magic resistance, and doesn't count as magic for overcoming damage resistance or immunity. You otherwise follow the normal rules for spellcasting, except you can now imagine that your magical abilities aren't magic.
 

Vaalingrade

Legend
This old man remember my animal companion dying or not being able to travel with the party unless you casted spells on it.
That problem would have been solved with better companion rules, not making Trigger a faerie that isn't even around most of the time.

They even already fixed this 'problem' three times! Master of the Wild, That Complete Book I can't Remember the name of, Primal Power.

Edit: The best fix was just not make the companion a thing the DM can target or kill at all.
 

Riley

Legend
Supporter
I want my rangers to be old school:

Talking racoons who run summer camps.

Want to give this Rick a roll?
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Reef

Hero
And when you start using the same mechanics to do everything, even if you call it something different, none of the choices actually feel different. That was a big criticism of 4e with its hyper symmetrical design.

The problem you're dismissing is that both the fiction and the mechanics are not being satisfied by taking the mechanics for spellcasting and calling it something else just because you don't want to think about it and want all of us that want something more than that to shut up.



It is curious to be so vehemently against someone making an assertion and yet also make one just as all encompassing and assumptive, as though you're not doing the exact thing, except sans any supporting arguments or even evidence.

Ive elaborated on my ideas and why I think them, and what I believe the effects are and what I have observed the effects to be.

Ive come to this table with more than just an assertion that people "like" what they already have.

Anectdotally, I can honestly say Ive never met someone online or in real life that thinks 5e's Skill system is desirable over literally anything with more heft to it.
Okay, well you've met one now. I prefer 5e's skill system. Yes, even to the one you've created. Based on 5e's sales number, I'm going to go out on a limb and say there are at least a couple of us.

And no, I don't think asserting that there are other people is being vehement or overly assertive. The idea that no one likes the current system is, however.

I'm not trying to shut you up. Or anyone else wanting a spell-less ranger. I disagree with your premise. I was trying to understand your reasons (and the others), and explain mine. You've explained yours, and I still disagree with them. By all means, keep discussing them. But please stop accusing me of not reading your posts, not understanding your posts, not discussing in good faith, trying to shut people up, or assuming my likes are everyone's likes, just because you and I don't agree.

People who want a spell-less ranger are welcome to their opinions! I'm interested what they are proposing (which is why I'm here in the first place). But please do me the courtesy of not assuming my personal disagreement with your own ideas stem from bad faith.
 

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