D&D 5E I feel like the surveys gaslit WotC about """"Backwards Compatibility""""

Remathilis said:

What's the alternative? Nerf everything until Battlerager is viable?

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Imaro said:

Emphasis mine... What? The Dev team was pretty explicit about how compatibility worked in a general sense (Use things replaced in '24 vs. '14. You can play with characters from either but they need to be created with their rules, etc.) and gave enough information that anyone who thought this game will be the exact same as the one published in '14 wasn't really paying attention.

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Micah Sweet said:

I assume the argument is that they made that problem worse. That's certainly the argument I would make.

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tetrasodium said:

There were so many arguments going on with folks who thought that the edition was totally incompatible if there was going to be any changes and eventually folks quit trying to correct expectations when it was clear wotc had zero interest in support heir efforts to so.

I don't know what part of what I wrote confused you. Wotc gave a bad expectation of backwards compatibility and when a subset of the community started banging drums over worries about not getting a level of backwards compatibility they were never going to deliver wotc reacted by doubling down on talking it up while cutting stuff deemed too much of a change instead of correcting expectations. We saw so many rules revisions that were effectively a barely different wording of a functionality identical rule while other stuff like the unified subclass progression was only ever even mentioned as a deliberate (yet never polled) choice when Crawford was telling us it was getting dropped for backwards compatibility.

so

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Imaro said:

Well what confused me is there are posters here, playing '24 who have no problem with backwards compatibility, so when you make sweeping statements about said compatibility not working and/or those who wanted it being dissapointed and I see the opposite... and have my own experience in playing it also doesn't line up with what you're claiming... well yeah, my reaction is confsion.

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Imaro said:

Well what confused me is there are posters here, playing '24 who have no problem with backwards compatibility, so when you make sweeping statements about said compatibility not working and/or those who wanted it being dissapointed and I see the opposite... and have my own experience in playing it which also don't line up with what you're claiming... well yeah, my reaction is confsion.

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Zardnaar said:

It's technically backwards compatible if you squint.

Archetypes have most been power crept out and mixing in sone 5.0 stuff breaks the game more.

It's like using 3.0 prestige classes in 3.5. You coukd do it not a good idea generally.

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tetrasodium said:

I said nothing of the sort and very much felt that 5.5 should have been more significant in its willingness to change. Absolutely no idea how you've gained the impression that I cared about backwards compatibility simply by confirming that there was a bizarre subset of the community with a badly misplaced expectation that wotc never tried to correct.

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tetrasodium said:

No idea why you Are bringing up play today in regards to badly set expectations wotc never tried to correct months ago when they instead decided to let those expectations have veto power in defense of a thing wotc was never going to offer with the 30% veto surveys

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Imaro said:

You mean you don't care about a point you've brought up in multiple posts? Okay so now it's a bizarre subset, well then why are you bringing them up, especially since an (arguably) larger subset of the community that wanted backwards compatibility are happy with what WotC did and by your own words their expectations were badly misplaced (as opposed to those who actually did follow what WotC promoted in their videos, interviews, etc... (All of which would have corrected that badly misplaced expectation).


I don't even know what you are trying to say here... So WotC didn't give us something else in order to give us backwards compatibility with '24... which they did and is borne out in people actually playing the game...

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Imaro said:

Archetypes?

EDIT: Also people who have actually played with both (including myself) are telling you that mixing them hasn't caused any problems.

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