Faolyn
(she/her)
Why would I disagree? The world is independent of the PCs. That has nothing to do with what monsters leap out and attack them.
D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.
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TwoSix
Everyone's literal second-favorite poster
Sentences 2 and 3 don’t make sense together.
If the world is “independent” of the PCs, then what monsters leap out is dependent on the world, not the PCs.
Faolyn
(she/her)
I never said that at all. I clearly said that the dragon may not notice the party. I never said it wouldn’t kill the party.
But having the dragon instantly spot the party and attack is the opposite of having the world not revolve around the PCs.
Why do you persist in trying to make everyone in the world play by one set of rules?
I'm not saying the games can't have similarities. I made no comment on how other games may or may not work. I don't see why people have to repeatedly and constantly bring narrative games into a D&D discussion without even trying to show how it could be useful for a D&D DM.
AbdulAlhazred
Legend
Eh, there's both more and less differences than you imagine. Playing AW is related to playing 5e as MLB is to high school baseball, they're essentially the same activities, with somewhat different rules and rather different goals and context. It's absolutely possible to compare and contrast.
Thomas Shey
Legend
Oh, I'm aware. I just think some people, particularly in the PbtA adjacent sphere, don't understand how much the baked in "complication is good" premise there is just absolutely not what some others want. I commented after buying and reading Monster of the Week that it reminded me that, for the most part, it doesn't have failures; It has what most people would consider successes, partial success, and fumbles. That's because it wants ever roll to move the narrative on in one way or the other, but it also means that you here repeated examples of people who haven't really bought into the idea that the worst sin is stasis avoiding making rolls because they'd rather have stasis and see if they can find some other way around than have things get in any fashion worse. (It doesn't help that with many of the same people, the frequency of complications as an output from the system makes them feel incompetent).
Faolyn
(she/her)
If the PCs go to the Valley Of Hill Giants, they’ll encounter hill giants. Whether they encounter one, three, or a dozen at a time can change.
If the go to the Valley Of Lots Of Different Monsters Of All Power Levels, I have leeway over what level of monster they encounter.
If they go to the Valley Of The Dragon, who divides its time between sleeping, tending its hoard, and soaring overhead, they may or may not get noticed by the dragon. It might be too busy sleeping, tending its hoard, or soaring over different part of its territory.
If they go to the Valley Of The Dragon Who Constantly Watches Everything And Eats All Bipeds, they’ll get eaten. Unless they’re not bipeds.
Are you really claiming that AW is a more advanced, "high-level" game than 5E? Because that's what this analogy sounds like you're implying.
If that is what you mean, then speaking as someone who has played both games extensively, I strongly disagree.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Agreed. It feels like the Narrativist fans just want to talk about how much they like their playstyle more than others. At least when I talk about Level Up I try to use it as an option to address an issue I and others see in official D&D play.
Campbell
Relaxed Intensity
It's a lot more like American Football and rugby. Maybe even American Football and soccer.
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