“AI” and education…

Ooh, good, another thread about how AI is scary and bad and has no upside.

If you don't want to engage, then don't. If you are going to engage, you probably ought to be more constructive about it than this.

It is clear from your post that you haven't made any effort to understand the various kinds of technology referred to under the "AI" label, and are happy to believe the worst interpretations of the technology. I don't know what to tell you other than maybe actually look at what "AI" is and the potential benefits and risks that lots of really smart people are talking about all the time in very accessible venues.

If you need an example, Google "AI discovers new medicine."

"You are wrong and need to do your homework, but I will give you no information of substance," isn't persuasive. If you are coming with a claim, you need to be prepared to back it up. As it is, you are giving folks no factual reasons to listen to you, nor is the attitude you are giving them going to win them over from a social standpoint.
 

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Yeah I dont know what the solution is at this point. Kids that want to learn, I assume would put in the effort, kids that want to just get it all over with dont, and then hit reality and go 'wait...what is this'.
This is true of people in general.

The stat is something like 60% of all American's will never read another book after high school.
 

Yeah I dont know what the solution is at this point. Kids that want to learn, I assume would put in the effort, kids that want to just get it all over with dont, and then hit reality and go 'wait...what is this'.
teach kids proper research skills, not just regurgitating standard answers, include fact checking and discernment
 

teach kids proper research skills, not just regurgitating standard answers, include fact checking and discernment

Would seem to be an uphill battle when they are permitted to be attached to a phone from an early age even during class time, but I'm not a teacher.

The stat is something like 60% of all American's will never read another book after high school.

That has to be one of the more tragic things I've read this year.
 

Would seem to be an uphill battle when they are permitted to be attached to a phone from an early age even during class time, but I'm not a teacher.
you dont fight it, use it - introduce kids to Google Scholar and other academic tools and teach them to use good search parameters and how to sift out trash
 

What's annoying (and a little scary) about it is that Google made a big push to provide schools with Chromebooks. But there's no communication about how they're implementing AI (or other software) on Google Docs and other programs that kids frequently use. As teachers, we're having to be reactive about AI instead of proactive.
When I was in middle school and on an IEP, everyone myself included realized that it would be better for everyone if I used an Alphasmart which I used from then in along with pencil and paper and into senior year of high school. Once I got into college at least during my freshmen year I still used an alphasmart. I actually kind of miss it to be honest, I lost a decade ago during a move.

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On the flip side, from via https://arxiv.org/pdf/2102.09365
the advantages of artificial intelligence applications in education are vast and varied. Here, everything can be considered to be beneficial if we are thinking of anything, for example a computer program, that can efficiently perform any task that would normally rely on the intelligence of a human. Based on the state-of the art research in this area, we outline nine areas in which AI methods can bring added value for both learning and teaching activities .The first benefit concerns automated grading which simulates the behavior of a teacher to assign grades to the answer sheets submitted by the students. It can assess their knowledge by processing and analyzing their answers, giving feedback and recommending personalized teaching plans.

Secondly, intermediate spaced repetition aims at knowledge revision when someone is just about to forget. It is worth noting that Polish inventor PeterWozniak introduced the Super Memo application, which is based on the effect of spaced repetition. The app keeps track of what a user is learning, and when he/she is doing it. By applying AI techniques, the application can discover whena user is most likely about to forget something and recommend revising it.

Thirdly, feedback loops for teachers, aided by machine learning and natural language processing techniques, improves the quality of student evaluations. For example, a chatbot can collect opinions via a dialog interface similarly to a real interviewer but with a small amount of work required by the user. Moreover, each conversation can be adapted according to the student’s personality and provided answers. A chatbot can even formulate the reasons for particular opinions.

Fourthly, to support teachers in their classroom work, one can put into use virtual facilitators. For instance, at the Georgia Institute of Technology on Knowledge-Based Artificial Intelligence (KBAI) class, students were introduced to a new teacher’s assistant named Jill Watson (JW) , who has been operating on the online discussion forums of different offerings of the KBAI class since Spring 2016. JW autonomously responded to student introductions, answered routine, frequently asked questions, and posted announcements on a weekly basis.

In the fifth place, Watts introduced chat campus based on the IBM Watson cognitive computing technologies . In brief, students at Deakin University have asked IBM Watson 1600 questions a week to learn the ins and outs of life on campus and studying in the cloud. Within 12 months of implementing Watson, due to the enhanced quality of the student know-how at Deakin, this ground-breaking solution has handled more than 55,000 questions from students. Furthermore, the school is progressing its use of Watson, broadening its capabilities and teaching the system to understand new sources of information. Personalized learning is the sixth example of AI applications in the education sector. In general, it refers to a variety of educational programs in which the pace of learning and the instructional approach are customized and eventually optimized for the needs of each learner [70]. In particular, the content is tailored to the learning preferences and specific interests of each student. The seventh example—one of the most promising—is adaptive learning (AL).While the traditional model of classroom education, continues to be very much one-size-fits-all, on the contrary, AI-powered AL systems are designed to optimize learning efficiency. For example, Yixue Squirrel AI (Yixue) collects and analyses students’ behavior data, updates learner profiles, then accordingly provides timely individualized feedback to each student

other scholarly papers https://d197for5662m48.cloudfront.n...rint_pdf/a411001475395a4b74235f370a2b295e.pdf





So like any technology, there is going to be a rough period of adjustment and yeah the same thing happened to a degree with Wikipedia and the drum beat of "do not cite wikipedia/not a real encyclopedia"
 

teach kids proper research skills, not just regurgitating standard answers, include fact checking and discernment

Yes. I think those are important skills.

But getting practice doing math (say calculus) is still a thing. Similarly for knowing how to code. Or translating things from a foreign language. Or the standard processes of whatever field one is in. A lot of the first steps to building the deeper things are coming up with the common answers. And it feels like most students who have to stop and think over the trivial are going to be brutalized by the deeper things.
 

This is true of people in general.

The stat is something like 60% of all American's will never read another book after high school.
75% of American adults read at least one book a year, a number that has apparently not changed since 2011.

When I was in middle school and on an IEP, everyone myself included realized that it would be better for everyone if I used an Alphasmart which I used from then in along with pencil and paper and into senior year of high school. Once I got into college at least during my freshmen year I still used an alphasmart. I actually kind of miss it to be honest, I lost a decade ago during a move.

_
On the flip side, from via https://arxiv.org/pdf/2102.09365


other scholarly papers https://d197for5662m48.cloudfront.n...rint_pdf/a411001475395a4b74235f370a2b295e.pdf





So like any technology, there is going to be a rough period of adjustment and yeah the same thing happened to a degree with Wikipedia and the drum beat of "do not cite wikipedia/not a real encyclopedia"

I agree that as educators we need to teach students how to use new technology to learn and accomplish even more. The problems are twofold:

1) Since the technology is so recent and yet so accessible, it's impacting students faster than teachers can learn about it and develop educational models.

2) Using AI is not on standardized state tests, so teaching students about it will always be a second priority to school districts.
 


Yes. I think those are important skills.

But getting practice doing math (say calculus) is still a thing. Similarly for knowing how to code. Or translating things from a foreign language. Or the standard processes of whatever field one is in. A lot of the first steps to building the deeper things are coming up with the common answers. And it feels like most students who have to stop and think over the trivial are going to be brutalized by the deeper things.

I once had a maths teacher who would have a class in which he would have everyone get into groups and go and start measuring the circumference and diameter of various round objects, was a fun activity exploring the school to find different objects. Back in class he'd then get us to chart the measurements and calculate circumference/diameter until someone noticed a pattern.

He told us he saw no purpose in telling us the 'basic fact' of what Pi equalled until we had actually experienced what Pi is and discovered it for ourselves - he was a good maths teacher
 

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